[OKCSubmariner]

Was this FBI connivance or ineptitude? Likely both.

Connivance is the knowledge of and the consent to (active or passive) wrongdoing when it is known and the repsonsibility to oppose the wrongdoing.

Please see my article "DOJ and FBI COnnivance Permaetes. Interconnects Terror Attacks" posted 8/15/02 on FreeRepublic.com that reveals active FBI connivance in the 9/11, 1993 WTC and OKC Bombing attacks. In that article it is also revealed how another FBI informant, Aukae Collins, for 9/11 hijacker Hanny Hanjour, was the basis of an FBI memo and later a CIA memo from FBI agent Ken Williams in Phoenix. The results of the memo warning of AlQaeda and BIn Laden airliner attacks inside the US reached President Bush on Aug 6, 2002 in a briefing by Condoleeza Rice.

[OKCSubmariner]

FYI

[Tacis]

Is this the same guy that gave the FBI inside information on what McVeigh was going to do in Oklahoma City? Actually, they probably had more than one guy inside the McVeigh cell passing on information.

[j271]

a Muslim man...a “tested” undercover “asset”

Thanks to any and all loyal American Muslims who will stand with their nation in the war on terrorism.

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

It wouldn't have mattered if the CIA had given over the info because the FBI wouldn't have done a damn thing with that info..

They didn't even act on their own Agent's warning and crapped their own pants with the Moussaoui case.

[marron]

It is my contention that our foreign policy was wedded to the Muslims throughout most of the eighties and nineties. This was based on several motivations.

One was the presumed natural anti-communism of the Muslims, which made them a good counterweight to the Soviets. The Soviets had obviously made their inroads into the Muslim world, with tighter than tight relations with Iraq and Syria, and at one time, Egypt.

We for our part were teamed with the Saudis, of course, and over time managed to bring Egypt out of the Soviet camp.

Our partnership with the Muslims reached its height in the Afghan struggle when we, with Saudi support, ejected the Soviets from Afghanistan.

It was the motivation behind President Carter's shameful betrayal of the Shah of Iran in favor of the Ayatollah, again based on the premise that the Ayatollah would be a natural enemy of Communism.

During the Iran Iraq war we allied ourselve with Iraq, and began to try to wean them away from the Soviets, and over to "our" side.

This partnership with the Saudis is what led us to back the Chechens against the Russians, and the Uighars against the Chinese, the Kashmiri rebels against the Indians, and to turn a blind eye toward the killings of Christians in Indonesia and the Phillipines.

It is what led us to back the Kosovars in their insurrection, and to intervene energetically on the side of the Bosnian Muslims.

Our foreign policy has been effectively designed by Riyadh for more than a decade, particularly under Bush Sr and Clinton. This is why we have tracked, but not interfered with Muslim radicals in our midst. This is why we did not go after Bin Ladin energetically; he had attacked us, but he was also attacking the Russians and Chinese, so the emphasis was on discouraging him from attacking us, rather than on eliminating him.

September 11 changed that. In the aftermath, we have abandoned Bin Ladin, the Chechens, the Uighars, and have cut the Saudis out of our foreign policy loop.

Iraq is going down, and my prediction is in the aftermath the House of Saud will be thrown over the side as well.

[Eastbound]

What I'd like to see is documentation showing that any government agency or agent or the president or his cabinet knew in advance of the date, target(s) and method.

From all of the info I've seen on the WTC, the threats were general and not specific. If only two of the factors were known, it still could not have been prevented.

I'd like to know if all three factors were known in advance.

[eno_]

Isikoff is a broken clock, but even a blind pig finds an acorn every blue moon. Or something like that.

What's wierd is that this sounds credible, but I have also read Isikoff articles that sound like he was drugged and beaten and then told what to write. It sure is probable that a lot of the motive for covering up the OKC bombing came from the same kind of incompetence FBI and CIA have probably been had by some of these "informants." I'd even give you odds that Al Quaida has infiltrated both the CIA and FBI - after all, we trained OBL well.

[takenoprisoner]

FBI officials have argued internally for months that if the CIA had more quickly passed along everything it knew about the two men, the bureau could have hunted them down more aggressively.

Neither agency has protected nor served us well. And now caught in their treachery each agency seeks desperately to pass the blame to the other especially when it comes to 911. Heads should have been rolling after Waco and Ruby Ridge. Nope! They got away with those atrocities and figured what the hell, we can now move on to higher stakes like OKC, WTC, and now 911. Sleep on and sweet dreams America. If these disclosures tieing the agencies we pay to protect and serve us to 911 doesn't awaken all, then God help us all. Negligence, incompetence, or complicity? You decide. Either way, we have some serious problems to resolve. And hey, "homeland (in)security" ain't the answer since all this will do is make it even more confusing as to who is negligent, incompetent, or complicit.

Problem is though, I fear even our congress may be complicit as evidenced in their retarded (or scripted) investigation of Waco. Well at least they did side with Randy Weaver and gave him a few million bucks for his loss of wife and son at Ruby Ridge. But not til they had no choice based on the evidence presented before them and the world.

I have no clue the activities of the CIA in these matters of 911. But I would assume they should be on top of these kinds of matters. If not, why not? Are they the "intelligence" agency or not?

Now the FBI is another matter since I am very familiar with the activities of the FBI especially at Waco and their subsequent cover up of their atrocities committed there.

Bottomline, this organization needs re-organizing if not disbanded post haste.

Sure, I have an ax to grind here. I want the men who killed those innocent infants and children at Waco to be brought to justice. Had they been already, then perhaps we could have prevented 911. How so? You go figure for yourself based on what you have learned just being here. Me? I figure had we brought all of them to justice making them all answer for Waco, we would have already in place a new and uncorrupted FBI to be on top of matters protecting our valued interests. But we slept then and we continue to sleep. So again, sweet dreams America.

[Dialup Llama]

>The results of the memo warning of AlQaeda and BIn Laden airliner attacks inside the US reached President Bush on Aug 6, 2002 in a briefing by Condoleeza Rice.

Whoa there. What's the citation on that one? I heard the briefing was a general warning about Al-Queda doing something, somewhere. You've made it alot more specific.

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[ladyinred]

It is time that all of this comes out. However, the Congressional investigation should not be political as it appears they are attempting to be. The RATS have their own agenda to bury. We want the truth, not the propaganda. I must say I haven't seen an investigation done by any committee in Congress that accomplished that to date.

[Twodees]

He was also, sources tell NEWSWEEK, a “tested” undercover “asset” who had been working closely with the FBI office in San Diego on terrorism cases related to Hamas.

In plain English, this means he was a paid snitch. Without snitches, The Feebleminded Bureau of Ineptitude would never be able to make an arrest. The trouble with paid snitches is that they want the money without endangering themselves. This one sat on what he knew until after the deed was done.

The snitch is probably also a member in good standing of Hamas. The FBI should be disbanded. What a bunch of dimbulbs. They will be trying to run some sort of bigtime sting and they fumble around and let the crime go down in order to grab one player while the rest skate away clean. They all need to be working as square badge Mall Security guards.

[Fred Mertz]

I heard about this on the radio today. Thanks for flagging me. It sounds like the FBI screwed up quite a bit.

[Tailgunner Joe]

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