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'We, as Muslims, have suffered'
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | September 8, 2002

Posted on 09/08/2002 1:51:19 AM PDT by sarcasm

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1 posted on 09/08/2002 1:51:19 AM PDT by sarcasm
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"Sept. 11 was a terrible human "tragedy" but it also had the effect of exposing millions of people around the globe to the true teachings of the Islamic faith, Muslim worshippers in New Brunswick's largest city were told yesterday."

Yes, I certainly learned a lot about islam on that day.. That it must be defeated completely.
2 posted on 09/08/2002 1:54:24 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: sarcasm

SEPTEMBER 11, 2001: ATTACK ON AMERICA! (click here)

3 posted on 09/08/2002 1:55:04 AM PDT by Cindy
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'We, as Muslims, have suffered'

Not nearly enough....

4 posted on 09/08/2002 1:58:27 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: sarcasm
LINKS OF INTEREST:

Opinion.TELEGRAPH.co.uk - TELEGRAPH NEWS: "LONDON TO HOST ISLAMIC 'CELEBRATION' OF SEPTEMBER 11" by Thair Shaikh (090802)

ISLAM ONLINE.net - News: "AFGHANS: WE ARE READY FOR JIHAD AGAINST U.S." by Husbanullah Mutawakel, IOL Correspondent (090702)

CBN.com: "STRIKING SADDAM: ENDING A TYRANT'S NUCLEAR QUEST" by George Thomas (090802)

NY POST.com: "IRAQ NUKE SITES UP & ATOM AGAIN" (090702)

GLOBAL SECURITY.org: "PUBLIC EYE PICTURE OF THE WEEK - 2002"

IRAQ WATCH.org: "BULLETIN"

FOX NEWS.com: "NEW INTELLIGENCE EXPOSES IRAQ'S NUKE PUSH" by Carl Cameron (090602)

BBC News: "IRAQI AIR DEFENSE SITE ATTACKED" (090602)

THE LIVE WIRE: "RESOLVING OUR INDIFFERENCE OVER IRAQ" -Commentary by Gregory J. Rummo

DAILY STAR.com.lb - LEBANESE NEWS: IRAQI MINISTER TO VISIT FOR TALKS ON TRANSPORT COOPERATION" (090702)

DAILY STAR.com.lb - LEBANESE NEWS: "LEBANESE DESK WILL BE BIGGEST AT BGHDAD TRADE FAIR" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Earlier this year, Lebanon signed a long-awaited trade agreement with Iraq that will allow Lebanon to increase its exports to its former No. 1 trading partner. According to the agreement, all Lebanese-made goods will enter the Iraqi market duty-free. Syria, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Turkey have already signed similar trade deals with Iraq.") (090502)

MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE: "IRAQ NEWS WIRE No. 8" (090102)

WORLD TRIBUNE.com: "BOLTON: IRAQ, CUBA SEEK MATERIALS BANNED BY BIO WEAPONS PACT" (090202)

WASHINGTON POST.com: "FUGITIVES SOUGHT BY U.S. FIND A PROTECTOR IN CUBA" (090202)

NewsMax.com: "CHINA AND IRAN TEST-FIRE MISSILES" by Charles Smith (090602)

IRNA.com - ISLAMIC REPUBLIC NEWS AGENCY: "IRAN SUCCESSFULLY TEST FIRES SURFACE-TO-SURFACE FATEH MISSILE" (090602)

SOFTWAR.net

MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE Special Dispatch Series No. 417: "IRANIAN CONSERVATIVE DAILY: 'AMERICA IS THE NEW NAZISM'" (083002)

NewsMax.com NewsMaxWires: "RUSSIA BEGINS WORK ON IRAN NUKE PLANT" (090202)

ALBAWABA.com: "600 RUSSIAN EXPERTS START WORKING ON KEY PHASE OF IRAN NUCLEAR REACTOR" (090102)

5 posted on 09/08/2002 2:00:20 AM PDT by Cindy
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""We find that maybe 4,000 people died in the World Trade Center. That was an injustice.

"But isn't it an injustice to have two million people killed in Iraq over 10 years?" he asked, referring to the Gulf War and a subsequent trade embargo blamed by many Muslims for causing starvation."

There's that 'but' again. Always with a 'but'. 9/11 can never be unconditionally blasted by these idiots, they have to throw in a 'but'..

2 million now? How the hell did 2 million die from sanctions? I thought it was 1 million, and even that number was complete make-believe. Next, it'll be 50 million islamics that the US kills daily.

Screw these guys. I can only HOPE that we start killing that many daily!
6 posted on 09/08/2002 2:02:32 AM PDT by Monty22
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2 million now? How the hell did 2 million die from sanctions? I thought it was 1 million, and even that number was complete make-believe. Next, it'll be 50 million islamics that the US kills daily.

We can only hope.

7 posted on 09/08/2002 2:31:14 AM PDT by woofer
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To: Cindy
Awesome links list.
Thanks for your efforts.
8 posted on 09/08/2002 3:00:36 AM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: sarcasm
Can anyone document even one case of bigotry-based violence by a non-Muslim against a Muslim in North America since Black Tuesday? I have yet to see a confirmed report of one. Yet these whiny allegations about the sufferings of Muslims since the atrocities continue unabated.

Islam, the "religion of peace," can be defeated most easily: just let its adherents keep showing the world what they really are.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

9 posted on 09/08/2002 4:32:10 AM PDT by fporretto
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There were some. But it never came near the 3,000 we lost. It is rather telling that more Muslims lost their lives in the WTC than were assaulted afterwards in retribution.
10 posted on 09/08/2002 4:43:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: sarcasm
"We need to be more vocal with wisdom, which means knowing what to say and how it has to be said,"

Stopped reading right here since it means : How do we lie about the true nature of our goals?

11 posted on 09/08/2002 4:53:05 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: sarcasm
"no one on the face of this Earth now can stand in front of God on the day of judgment and say that they haven't heard of Islam. The judgment is on them to either accept or reject."

Rejected.

12 posted on 09/08/2002 5:10:35 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
At which point God will probably reply, "Thou hast chosen wisely!!"
13 posted on 09/08/2002 5:15:03 AM PDT by MarineDad
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To: Monty22
There's that 'but' again. Always with a 'but'.

Why, this article's just chock full of 'buts':

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Sept. 11 was a terrible human "tragedy" but it also had the effect of exposing millions of people around the globe to the true teachings of the Islamic faith

Mr. Niaj expressed sadness over the immense loss of human life wrought by the terrorist attacks a year ago. But he criticized how many people in western nations have cast the U.S.-led military campaign against Afghanistan, and the seemingly imminent assault on Iraq, as battles of good against evil.

The imam did not mention Afghanistan or Iraq, but made a brief reference to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

"Muslims had wisdom and strength in the past, but these days we beg the United Nations and the United States to stop the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians,"

"Muslims should support the weak whether he or she is a Muslim or not. The clearest example of the weak who should be supported now are the Palestinians," he said. "I am not talking about Palestinians in particular, but I am taking them as an example to remind people of the principles of Islam," he added.

"I believe most Arabs do not approve and have condemned the attacks. Islam is against such violence and against targeting civilians in war. We all know that from the history of Islam. But also," he added, "I wish people around the world would think about why these men killed themselves."

"We condemn what happened, but we, as Muslims, suffered as a result of that incident,"

Imam Shaadam Sherif condemned the Sept. 11 attack as terrorism against innocent people, saying true followers of Islam are not terrorists. But Mr. Sherif said more people have died in Iraq from Western attacks and in Palestine at the hands of Israel. He suggested that violence is also terrorism because it kills innocents.

He said Allah sets out a principle of freedom and justice that does not allow for innocents to die by violence. "Those who truly follow Islam are not terrorists." But there is a misconception in the West that they are terrorists, he said, speaking in Arabic through an interpreter.

"We find that maybe 4,000 people died in the World Trade Center. That was an injustice. "But isn't it an injustice to have two million people killed in Iraq over 10 years?" he asked, referring to the Gulf War and a subsequent trade embargo blamed by many Muslims for causing starvation.

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So many 'buts'. There is no author credit given, but from the number of 'buts' in here I'll go out on a limb and guess that it was written by some Muslim 'but'-muncher...

14 posted on 09/08/2002 5:25:55 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: stella
Conflating unrelated phenomena is a key tactic of those who want power over you. The near-term point is to confuse and paralyze you about a particular issue. The longer-term goal is to induce in you the habit of accepting insane, patently false statements without question or exploration -- something that anyone who's been force-fed a sufficient amount of deception and confusion will adjust to in time.

Islam, the "religion of peace," the only major religion whose founding documents exhort its adherents to violence and deceit against the non-believer, must constantly change the subject, issue flat contradictions of well-established facts, and challenge the presumptive soundness of the evidence of one's own senses. If it did not do these things constantly, it would all too quickly be found out for what it is: a program of totalitarian oppression with a thin theological veneer.

It's possible that there are some sincere and benevolent Muslims out there. But given the dictates of their creed, it's unwise to extend them the benefit of the doubt. Far better that they be regarded warily until they've proved their bona fides. If that causes them some discomfort, they can become Christians, and learn firsthand how Islam treats those who spurn its "gift."

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

16 posted on 09/08/2002 8:27:02 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: sarcasm
Face it, you can't make muslims happy. Suffering and anger are part and parcel of their cult. They are, after all "slaves" of their angry vengeful god.
17 posted on 03/30/2003 9:58:49 AM PST by rageaholic
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To: Monty22
We, as Muslims, have suffered


You think so? Just wait 'til we get to BAGDAD!
18 posted on 03/30/2003 10:15:01 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: sarcasm
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits." (Matt. 5:15-16a)

9/11 showed us the fruit of this demon seed. What's to understand?

19 posted on 03/30/2003 10:27:32 AM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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To: sarcasm
Unfortunately, he added, it's often perceived in a negative way.

When you look at it's founder's life ---Mohammed, it would be hard to see it in a positive way. The truth hurts but Islam was started by a pedophile polygamist ---probably not all that different than David Mitchell --aka Emmanual. Some self-annointed profit who made little girls his "wives". If Mohammed was living in the US, we'd have had him imprisoned for what he did to that 6 year old girl he called a "wife".

20 posted on 03/30/2003 10:37:36 AM PST by FITZ
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