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1 posted on 09/06/2002 5:33:20 PM PDT by zapiks44
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Remember the kid down your block who always walked with a swagger and considered himself far superior to all the other kids - even though he was scrawny, limp-wristed, wore thick glasses, mumbled, couldn't throw a ball, and had greasy hair? Well, in countries, that's France.
27 posted on 09/06/2002 6:12:38 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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Just a few balancing points:

At Yorktown, the vast majority of "Washington"s" Franco-American Army consisted of French soldiers. The French fleet prevented the British fleet from reinforcing or evacuating Cornwallis's Army. The French general graciously allowed Washington to accept Cornwallis's surrender. There is no way we could have won that battle by ourselves. Of course we dare not say that in our history books.

On a single day in October of 1806, Napoleon crushed the Prussian Army with two hammer blows at Jena-Auerstadt. The Prussian army simply disintegrated. Intact Fortesses surrendered to summons from cavalry troopers. Not too shabby of an accomplishment against the best trained army in the World.

The French probably fought about a hundred pitched battles during Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars 1792-1815, winning about 80% of all the battles. No one I know has matched that record against opponents who possessed the same technology.

If the American Army of May 1940 had faced the German Army they would have folded in 6 days not 6 weeks like the French did.

31 posted on 09/06/2002 6:35:01 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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Is the author familiar with who the Franks were. The Franks were Germans who migrated to the soughwest of france and the northern part of Spain. There was a Frankish kingdom for a brief period. It seems to have spontaneorsly dissolved and the population was absorbed into nothing. Look in the historical atlasses for a record.
32 posted on 09/06/2002 6:38:03 PM PDT by RLK
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(France gets beat up on 2 different continents by England and Germany plus the early future Americans - a guy named George Washington ring any bells?)

Actually, George Washington's major accomplishment in the French and Indian War was a humiliating defeat at the hands of the French.

33 posted on 09/06/2002 6:57:13 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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Austerlitz
36 posted on 09/06/2002 7:01:22 PM PDT by bert
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With the French being as they are...can anyone explain how they wound up with a rather impressive 'nuclear arsenal'?
37 posted on 09/06/2002 7:04:52 PM PDT by RCW2001
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France vs. Europe - War of Spanish Succession 1648 A.D. (France tries to fight rest of Europe over Spain and looses to Frederick William of Germany) France vs. Europe - 7 Years War or French Indian War 1756 A.D. (France gets beat up on 2 different continents by England and Germany plus the early future Americans - a guy named George Washington ring any bells?

This post is filled with garden variety stupidity, but this paragraph is breathtakingly stupid.

The war that ended with the peace of Westphalia in 1648 was the Thirty Years War, not the War of Spanish succesion. In the 30 yrs war, the French Bourbons completely vanquished the Austrian/Spanish Hapsburgs and established themselves as the dominant power in Europe.

In the War of the Spanish Succession (that ended in with the peace of Utrecht in 1713) the French, despite having to fight nearly alone against almost all of Europe, ended up getting exactly what they wanted (a submissive Bourbon dynasty in Spain) while the erstwhile Spanish allies basically got screwed.

As regards Washington, France, the Seven Years War and surrender, we don't want to go there, either. Washington surrendred to the French and then confessed to war crimes in a document written in French (which he could not read.)

And finally, your analysis of the first World War... well...

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. . . . may God have mercy on your soul.

- Billy Madison

39 posted on 09/06/2002 7:09:37 PM PDT by Castlebar
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Pretty scandalous. He left pretty much left out the wars of Louis XIV, when France dominated Europe. And from a purely amoral point of view, Napoleon's feat was remarkable.

What doomed France? A theory occurs to me. Conscription in the 19th century was accompanied with spreading use of condoms. Birth control suited the French character, which was pleasure loving and tightfisted about money and inheritances, but it cost France the numbers and dynamism at a time when Germany was on the rise. Swelling numbers made other countries strive and hustle while the French were enjoying themselves (comparatively speaking) and living off the fruits of their earlier labors.

50 posted on 09/06/2002 9:15:54 PM PDT by x
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I like almost everything about France except the French. The best wine, food, nice chateaus, beautiful topography, their women speak English in a cute way and they often have a waifish charm.

I would not however discount totally Napolean and certainly not Charlemagne.

JMHO.....I like Jean Reno too but I think he was born in Spain.
53 posted on 09/06/2002 9:21:49 PM PDT by wardaddy
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I think you'll like this one.
55 posted on 09/06/2002 9:30:10 PM PDT by Tribune7
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According to Barbara Tuchman's, The Guns of August, the French fought the numerically superior Germans to a standstill in the early stages of WWI, ultimately driving them back, the British Expeditionary Force didn't do squat, and the Americans were late to the party.

If your recent history is that flawed, I shudder to think about the rest of your "analysis."

67 posted on 09/06/2002 11:20:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Dear zapiks;where did you find this piece of "historical " manure???

Of all the people you Americans should be the last one to call French cowards!Their victories agains British vere very important for you gaining your indenpendence!

France under Napoleon had ruled militarily Europe for years.

In the WWI Germany didn`t wipe out the French?Who told you that?A four years of trench warfare with insignificant gains in teritory on both sides is a "French defeat"???You ,conviniently forgot to mention that on the Western Front both British and French were fighting Imperial Germany!

WWII??A favourite claim about French cowardice is ;France surrendered!But,so did everybody else!Germany had conquered and defeated the whole Europe,routed 450000 British in France...Britain was saved only because of their best ally;The Chanel,their natural moat!Remember,since 1941 85% of fighting was on the Eastern front against Russia.But,of course,you have saved the world,bla,bla,bla...The truth is that first contact of American troops with the Germans was a catastrofe!For you.

Indochina???Ha,ha,ha....It must be the French that were throwing into the sea all those helicopters in Saigon in 1975,right?!

71 posted on 09/07/2002 12:30:34 AM PDT by branicap
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You French haters are very effeminate and love domineering, soldier-like, masculine women.
73 posted on 09/07/2002 1:11:45 AM PDT by Born on the Storm King
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For a more rational and realistic view of French military history, please review the following:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/peirce/peirce055.html
77 posted on 09/07/2002 7:45:40 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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I love French-bashing as much as anyone, but it actually does seems impressive that they conquered Mexico at all. Must have been at a really vulnerable time.

Back to the bashing, I beat a frogger at a chess tournament last week - he was the only thing between me and the prise money. My son asked me later if he offered me his woman. Is that still leagl to say?
82 posted on 09/07/2002 8:42:08 PM PDT by kcar
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"You TOO can conquer France!"

No Blood for stinky cheese and wine!
works for lefties, why not me? :-)
86 posted on 09/08/2002 2:18:41 AM PDT by McCloud-Strife
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The forcast calls for a 90% chance for rain in Monday, France surrenders.
87 posted on 09/08/2002 2:31:11 AM PDT by ChadGore
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"Trust the French" (c) Mel Gibson - The Patriot
88 posted on 09/08/2002 2:38:35 AM PDT by ChadGore
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hahahaha! I love this! I was flipping channels yesterday and landed on the History Channel. They were showing the Nazis marching into Paris, while the streets were lined with french men, standing there boohooing big ol' tears running down their faces.

I couldn't help but yell at the tv. If these pansies would stop crying and start fighting, maybe the Nazis wouldn't have been marching down the street in front of their homes.

I started trying to think of someone that the French could go beat up to try to restore their dignity. I couldn't do it. Every country I considered as a possible target for French "agression" (sorry, I know their really isn't any, but you know what I mean), I realized, could totally kick the crap out of the French.

How pitiful to be a French citizen and know that everyone in the world looks at you and thinks "arrogant, rude, pansy, loser".

89 posted on 09/08/2002 7:10:22 AM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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91 posted on 09/08/2002 7:20:49 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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