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NORMAN MAILER DECLARES: 'AMERICA IS SO VAIN' (yep...it's a BARF ALERT)
Drudge Report ^ | 9/6/02

Posted on 09/06/2002 12:40:56 PM PDT by Brian Mosely

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRIDAY SEPT 06, 2002 20:32:09 UTC XXXXX

[Filed by Matt Drudge in Germany]

NORMAN MAILER DECLARES: 'AMERICA IS SO VAIN'

**Exclusive**

In an 8,000 word polemic to be published in this weekend's London SUNDAY TIMES [9/8/02], Norman Mailer sounds what he hopes to be a "wake up call for America," the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The legendary Mailer rips the United States, calling it "so big, so powerful, and so vain..." and warns "every American has to ask himself, 'Am I ready to die for my ideas?'"

DRUDGE can reveal more of the coming rant, which is sure to ignite controversy on both shores.

Mailer writes:

"This century is going to be the most awesome of all centuries to contemplate - there is a real question whether human kind will get to the end of it... America's so big, so powerful, and so vain, ... I get angry when I see it being less than it can be.

"The British have a love of their country that is profound. They can revile it, tell dirty stories about it. But deep down their patriotism is deep. In America we're playing musical chairs - don't get caught without a flag or you're out of the game. Why do we need all this reaffirmation? It's as if we're a three hundred pound man who's seven feet tall, superbly shaped, absolutely powerful, and every three minutes he's got to reaffirm the fact that his arm pits have a wonderful odor. We don't need compulsive, self-serving patriotism. It's odious...

"When you have a great country it's your duty to be critical of it so it can become even greater...

"Culturally, emotionally America is growing more loutish, arrogant, and vain.

"I detest this totally promiscuous patriotism. Wave a little flag and become a good person? Ugly.

"If we have a depression or fall into desperate economic times, I don't know what's going to hold the country together...

"There's just too much anger here, too much ruptured vanity, too much shock, too much identity crisis. And worst of all, too much patriotism. Patriotism in a country that's failing has a logical tendency to turn fascistic...

"Let's suppose ten people are killed by a small bomb on a street corner in some city in America. The first thing to understand is that there are 280 million Americans. So, there's one chance in 28 million you're going to be one of those people. By such heartless means of calculation, the 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers came approximately to one mortality for every 90,000 Americans. Your chances of dying if you drive a car are one in 7,000 each year. We seem perfectly ready to put up with automobile statistics. I fear I am ready to say there is a tolerable level to terror...

"One of the things I've always found least attractive about Tony Blair was his toadyish attitude toward Clinton...

"Clinton made a point of surrounding himself with people who might be 90% as intelligent as himself, but never his equal. Bush is smart enough to know that he couldn't possibly do the same, or the country would be run by morons."

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To: YourAdHere
How old is this guy? I remember an episode of MASH, set in the 50s, where Frank was burning Norman Mailer books.

Mailer's first book, "The Naked and the Dead," came out in 1948. I have to think it's semi-autobiographical, seeing as how he served as a rifleman for two years in the Phillipines.

Lefty, brilliant (if misguided), and quite vain.

21 posted on 09/06/2002 12:52:46 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Brian Mosely
This man is clearly insane.
22 posted on 09/06/2002 12:53:26 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Brian Mosely
'Am I ready to die for my ideas?'"

Yes I am. But would not expect you or your kind to understand that.

23 posted on 09/06/2002 12:53:31 PM PDT by nimc
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To: r9etb
It's not a matter of Vanity that set's off jerks like this, it's just a matter of petty jealousy.
25 posted on 09/06/2002 12:54:24 PM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: Brian Mosely
"Let's suppose ten people are killed by a small bomb on a street corner in some city in America. The first thing to understand is that there are 280 million Americans. So, there's one chance in 28 million you're going to be one of those people. By such heartless means of calculation, the 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers came approximately to one mortality for every 90,000 Americans. Your chances of dying if you drive a car are one in 7,000 each year. We seem perfectly ready to put up with automobile statistics. I fear I am ready to say there is a tolerable level to terror...

Disgusting heartless Sophistry! To compare auto accident fatalities to 9/11 is the act of an immature malicious smart ass school boy. 2500 Americans were killed at Pearl Harbor. I guess we shouldn't have got hysterical about that (but even here there was a key distinction- the Japs attacked us with their military and they attacked a military target- not civilians- their primary goal wasn't to kill people to just kill people!)

This guy has so much blood on his hands from his past stances that I will not even read his screed. He is an embarassment to himslef and this nation.

26 posted on 09/06/2002 12:54:32 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Brian Mosely
Ever notice that the foreign press is constantly giving a platform to American has-beens?

Of course Mailer detests America: he has been irrelevant for nearly 30 years. It is his vanity that is so embarrassing.

And what is the Sunday Times thinking? This is like calling up John Ritter for a comment on the state of the network sitcom....

27 posted on 09/06/2002 12:56:37 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: r9etb
he is pushing eighty and probably drunk when he gave the interview
28 posted on 09/06/2002 12:56:48 PM PDT by magua
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To: Brian Mosely
Y'know, I'm sick and tired of every Tom, Dick and Jacka$$ coming out of the freakin' woodwork and calling GW stupid!

The joke is old. Find some new material!

Mailer is so transparent while he bends over and plays Hoover next Monica in the lap of Clinton. His hatred for this nation and the people in it is so thick that you can spread it with a trowel.

I keep hearing bad jokes; Garry Trudeau keeps trying to defend his hatred as he spews it in "Doonsbury"; Julian Bond doesn't even pretend any more - he just shows his hatred at the NAACP convention, just before smiling in your face later.

Peter Jennings practically jumps up and down in his anchor chair when he thinks he's got something over on the Administration; and Woody Harrelson just needs to find someone who gives a damn. Maybe once he gets laid, he'll shut up for awhile.

Ah well...let me climb down off my soapbox...

29 posted on 09/06/2002 12:59:28 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Burkeman1
This guy has so much blood on his hands from his past stances

Jack Henry Abbott.

30 posted on 09/06/2002 1:00:05 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Mr. Bird
Ever notice that the foreign press is constantly giving a platform to American has-beens?

If I'm not mistaken, they're still trotting out Arthur Miller.

31 posted on 09/06/2002 1:01:44 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Brian Mosely
The legendary Mailer rips the United States, calling it "so big, so powerful, and so vain..." and warns "every American has to ask himself, 'Am I ready to die for my ideas?'"

Dying for ideas is what made this country so great. Dying for ideas is what we Americans have been doing for over two hundred years. Dying for ideas is what gives you the privilege to bad mouth your country and it's leaders while praising a known rapist and perjurer. With pissant little hissy fits like this, it makes me abundantly aware that you would not fight or die to defend your own. You would rather us conservative low life patriots do it for you.

BTW, Norman, just who in the f@#k are you, anyway?
32 posted on 09/06/2002 1:03:43 PM PDT by wasp69
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To: dighton
And don't forget Robert Altman, another irrelevant windbag.
33 posted on 09/06/2002 1:04:13 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Brian Mosely
"I detest this totally promiscuous patriotism. Wave a little flag and become a good person? Ugly.

But promiscuous sex is okay, right?

34 posted on 09/06/2002 1:05:05 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: Brian Mosely
Clinton made a point of surrounding himself with people who might be 90% as intelligent as himself, but never his equal. Bush is smart enough to know that he couldn't possibly do the same, or the country would be run by morons.

Another pompous East coast "intellectual." His books are awful - it seems these types are only impressed with themselves. I've never thought Mailer was a good author.

And I've about had it with these pseudo-intellectual putting down Bush. If Gore was elected then we'd have a moron leading the country.

35 posted on 09/06/2002 1:08:44 PM PDT by Alissa
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To: Brian Mosely
A LOT of Americans DIED for BRITAIN and other European countries you WEENIE, you and your weenie "patriots" over there can't even get behind protecting the world now from IRAQ....and YOU suggest WE are VAIN!!!!!!.......I am sorry to say I will not be sad when a person like this appears in the obits....
36 posted on 09/06/2002 1:09:00 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Brian Mosely
Poor Norm. He doesn't get it that the sunny-day flag-waving he's talking about is all on his side of the aisle - for some of us it isn't a recent acquisition. He doesn't get it that some of us have already declared ourselves ready to die for what we believe and unlike him have acted on it. I think the latter is what's really getting to him - a reminder of the shallowness of his own self-absorption and self-aggrandizement. He and his ilk figure that they're the only ones smart enough to live for something bigger than themselves. They are not open to the idea that the people they have nothing but disdain for have been doing just that for a very long time.
37 posted on 09/06/2002 1:11:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Brian Mosely
By such heartless means of calculation, the 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers came approximately to one mortality for every 90,000 Americans. Your chances of dying if you drive a car are one in 7,000 each year. We seem perfectly ready to put up with automobile statistics. I fear I am ready to say there is a tolerable level to terror...

For people in those towers that day, the chance of death was one in 3! Did this idiot see people jumping 1000 feet to their deaths? Does he equate random accidents with intentional homicide? Where in the hell did this intellectual midget get the reputation of being some sort of deep thinker?

Stay in England with your Fabian friends Mailer. Just stay away if the Stars and Stripes are so damn revolting to you.

38 posted on 09/06/2002 1:12:14 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Brian Mosely
Norman Mailer? Isn't he the crazy wacko who, as a witness in the Chicago Seven Trial, stated, ". . . in this period I formed a very good opinion of Mr. [Jerry] Rubin because he had extraordinary powers of objectivity which an author is greatly in need of when he is talking to witnesses.

Mailer is still crazy after all these years.

39 posted on 09/06/2002 1:14:47 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Brian Mosely
Jeez! What is it with these people??!! Take a look at Michael Moore, the majority of professors in any public university, musicians, actors, comic strip artists for alternative weekly papers..... they're all singing the same tune. They're all whining and complaining and putting down the petty bourgeois for their patriotism, then complaining that they believe they can't complain and express descent. And you know what I think motivates these people to whine and complain and put down the rest of America? That's right: arrogance and vanity!!

I swear I am getting so sick of these people! When oh when will people start to realize that this 60s hippy-style of rebellion is old and redundant and no longer cool?

40 posted on 09/06/2002 1:19:33 PM PDT by Sally II
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