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Dam breaching effects questioned
Lewiston MorningTribune and Associated Press ^ | Sept. 5, 2002

Posted on 09/05/2002 11:18:56 AM PDT by The Shadow Knows

Report released by Rand Corp. says removal will neither impede growth nor hurt power supply.

WASHINGTON -- Breaching four Snake River dams in eastern Washington would neither impede economic growth in the Northwest nor hurt the region's power supply, according to a new report by the Rand Corp.

The report, released Wednesday, said the dams provide just 5 percent of the power in the Pacific Northwest and could be removed with little impact on the overall economy. Removal of the dams could help the region diversify its power supply, the report said, while providing up to 15,000 new jobs over a 20-year period, primarily in recreation.

The Rand group is an independent nonprofit research and analysis firm. The study was funded by the Pew Charitable Trust.

Environmentalists immediately hailed the report, saying it provided clear-cut evidence that dam removal is in the region's best interest. Conservationists have long pushed to breach, or remove the earthen parts of the dams, to hasten recovery of threatened salmon and steelhead.

"The Rand report rejects the myth that dam removal must pit jobs versus wildlife," said Pat Ford, executive director of Save Our Wild Salmon, an advocacy group. "A healthy economy and healthy ecology go hand in hand."

Bill Sedivy of Idaho Rivers United in Boise agreed.

"I think this is a big deal in the whole salmon issue," he said. "The Rand study confirms what Idaho Rivers United has been saying for years -- removing the dams makes sense for people and salmon."

But Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash., whose district includes the four lower Snake River dams, said the report did nothing to convince him that breaching is a good idea. The dams at issue are the Ice Harbor, Lower Monumental, Little Goose and Lower Granite dams in southeastern Washington.

"I think it's a nonsense option for us in Eastern Washington and really in the Pacific Northwest," Nethercutt said.

The costs of breaching are high, he said, while the benefits, if any, are questionable. Partial removal of the dams is estimated to cost at least $1 billion and disrupt activity in the river for years, Nethercutt and other opponents said.

Breaching would end barge transportation to inland ports such as Lewiston that are heavily used by farmers to ship their crops to Portland and overseas. It would also effect irrigation of some farms along the lower Snake and Columbia rivers.

Former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, who remained neutral on dam breaching while in office, said Wednesday that the Rand report convinced him the time has come to remove the dams.

Babbitt, who served as Interior secretary under President Clinton, said that when he took office nearly a decade ago, the idea of removing a working dam "somehow seemed to be an unnatural act."

Now, experience has taught him that "the dams really aren't the pyramids of Egypt," Babbitt said. "Once they've served their purpose, they ought to come down."

Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., has sponsored a bill to allow removal of the dams, but the measure faces long odds. No other Northwest House member has signed on as a cosponsor, and no action has been taken on the bill since December.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which operates the dams, has rejected breaching in favor of a strategy that relies on structural improvements to help juvenile salmon pass by the dams on their way to the Pacific Ocean.

A spokesman for the Corps' Walla Walla district office declined to comment on the Rand report.

The National Marine Fisheries Service, which is charged with restoring salmon and steelhead runs now protected under the Endangered Species Act, rejected dam breaching in December 2000 after studying the matter for five years.

Its alternative plan, labeled "aggressive nonbreach," calls for leaving the dams in place while taking significant steps to restore streams where salmon spawn, reform hatcheries to reduce harm to wild fish by hatchery-raised fish and increase fishing restrictions. The agency says breaching should again be considered if specific goals are not met by 2003, 2005 and 2008.

Federal officials concede that last year's drought set the plan back, but urged patience. They maintain that efforts to revitalize the runs are still on track -- a view conservationists reject.

"If we're on track, we're heading for a train wreck and it's called extinction," said Nicole Cordan of Save Our Wild Salmon.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Idaho; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: breaching; columbiariver; dams; deindustialization; enviromentalists; idaho; oregon; pacificnorthwest; salmon; snakeriver; washington
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To: The Shadow Knows
The left's primary interest in breaching dams is to undo the capitalistic benefits that the dams represent to communities and states.

And to emphasize to the Americans most affected by the dams they have no control over their public or private property.

And also, that federal laws that have protected water management in this country since early in the last century can be flouted with impunity just because someone says it is "for the environment."

21 posted on 09/05/2002 8:51:26 PM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: Carry_Okie
"Just wanted to share some dam ignorance."

How 'bout "Dam Delusions!"

Without 'em, we'll have some dam big deluges!!!

Wallace Stegner and Marc Riesner being the biggest dam deluders!

22 posted on 09/05/2002 8:59:27 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Carry_Okie
As ususal, you are 100% correct on this.
23 posted on 09/05/2002 9:30:12 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking
Yep, to give any credibility to a Pew Funded study is a breach of trust.
24 posted on 09/05/2002 9:33:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: WaterDragon; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; farmfriend
Y'know, on a trip to page, AZ a few years ago, I noticed something almost idylic about the fact that almost every other block of that town has a church building on it!

Yes, the folks that built the dam that holds Lake Powell in place was built by God fearing, mid American Christians who not only made something of themselves, but of their country, too!

That has to be why these Pagan EnvironMentalists, supported by Pew Charitable Trust who has now co-opted the Rand Corp with a huge grant to write for them what they wanted to discredit the constructive conservative Christians of Page, AZ.

When I compare that community with what I see happening to our own with the commercial whitewater rafting industry catering to the Prop. 215 Medical Marijuana and other drug cultures they are bring in here, it makes me sick that I can hardly find a parking place at the Post Office due to the attorney who just ran for District Attorney meeting with marijuana "patients" to turn this region into a dead-head zone!!!

Is that the recreational eco-tourism industry with 15,000 jobs they're talking about. To hell with 'em!!! I've now lost all respect I may have ever had for the Rand Corporation!!! This may be a rant, but it's from the heart! A broken one!!!
25 posted on 09/05/2002 9:47:24 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
Well at the rate it is silting up, Lake Powell won't be with us for long. It'll be the Powell Wetland followed by Powell Meadow very soon.
26 posted on 09/05/2002 9:53:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Hey! Check this link out

Note the two foundations sponsoring this site on it's main page. The program was excellent, although about 5 years late to be an "expose'"

27 posted on 09/05/2002 9:55:18 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Carry_Okie
Where's the proof? What's the rate? What's "very soon?" Mark, you're a process engineer! You must know that even if it creates a "delta" at the entrance to the lake, that the water doesn't move fast enough to carry silt to all the fingers of that lake! You must be spoofin me!

If true, then deconstruct gradually and re-construct when erosion takes it's course. Mexico needs more Real Estate, right? (grin)

Think of it!!! Another Baja peninsula and Sea of Cortez II! Talk about a "movement!"

Oh, if it's silting up so bad, why didn't some of it flush out when Babbit opened it up to flood everything downstream?
28 posted on 09/05/2002 10:08:20 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
Is this the same Rand?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745374/posts
29 posted on 09/05/2002 10:19:48 PM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8
Yes, I do believe it is. I don't believe there two think-tanks named RAND. Prostituting themselves to the same people that do the Pew pressure polling and squeezing out this honest employee's legitimate work on the truth, lowers my opinion still further. I had forgotten he worked for RAND. How disappointing!!!
30 posted on 09/05/2002 10:44:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
How interesting:

"RAND receives most of its funding from the US government. A small portion -- less than one percent of its $160 million in research revenue in the last fiscal year -- came from Arab nations, Egner said."

31 posted on 09/05/2002 11:12:51 PM PDT by Granof8
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To: SierraWasp
Waspman, I'm not taking a position here other than that the location of the dam was selected according to political boundaries, not necessarily the best of engineering locations. Because of the porosity of that sandstone they lose 2 million acre feet through the walls annually.

Basin porosity is not an uncommon problem in the southwest. I have seen the leakage from a dam not far from Lake Powell. It was so bad you could see artesian gushers flowing out of the rock. I can't disclose the location because there WILL be a lawsuit. Once that water leaks out, there is no telling where it goes. Many of those aquifers go really deep and take circuitous routes over hundreds of miles. Volcanism in that area deeply fractured the rock. Consider the Hurricane fault.

The current rate of siltation of Lake Powell is 37,000 acre feet per year. I am told that the rate is three times what was predicted before its construction but I don't have documentation on that. The guy who told me is a mining geologist who works in that area and has no ax to grind against the dam (other than he thinks it was a stupid location). So, "soon" is relative to the expected useful life AND considering the necessary storage volume for the dam to serve a useful purpose. The numbers say that the lake will fill in about 750 years, but as you pointed out the side fingers will fill more slowly. The point is that its value as a storage basin for summer agricultural irrigation will be seriously depleted long before that. I'd bet that it's less than a few hundred years. Do you have such a hard time understanding this or do I have to remind you why it's named the Colorado?

There are all sorts of "fixes," the problem is where to put all that material. They could probably use a suction dredge but know that the mud also contains ag and industrial wastes. I don't know about its value as fill or a top soil amendment but it might work for that. Transportation costs are the problem there.

Probably the best thing that dam accomplished is that it has extended the useful life of Lake Mead.

If volcanism returns to that area (the last serious volcanic event in that area was but 2,500 years ago only a couple of hundred miles from Lake Powell) the earthquakes and liquifaction might make an interesting test of the dam's integrity. Life is full of problems, risks, and unknowns.

So no, I'm not spoofin. I'm not wailin either.

32 posted on 09/06/2002 8:22:00 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
They were forced by Wallace Stegner's rabid EnvironMentalism to choose that stupid dam location! His picture books and poetry embarrassed ConGress to force a stupid move.

Of course he tried to make it appear they were gonna fill the Grand Canyon which was baloney, and so on and so on, ad infinitum...

I think my fast-flowing vs still waters siltation argument is just as good as the pure unadulterated fear argument put forth by pseudo scientific guys like Jeff Mounts, anytime!
33 posted on 09/06/2002 8:38:17 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
My point with regard to "soon" was that to build cities of hundreds of thousands (much less millions) of people based upon a water supply that can only last a couple of hundred years is probably not a wise use of capital.
34 posted on 09/06/2002 8:42:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
"that can only last a couple of hundred years"

If you could somehow bring yourself to believe that, especially with the knowledge and data available at the time of design and with idiots nipping at ConGress' heels about the location, etc.

35 posted on 09/06/2002 9:16:18 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
The taxpayer bears the risk.
36 posted on 09/06/2002 9:36:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
"The taxpayer bears the risk."

And let's see... Since that ONE dam was designed and built, the overburdened taxpayer has born the risk of:

1. The War on Poverty!

2. The Great Society!

3. Guns & Butter!

4. The Endangered Species Act!

5. The 70's Energy Crisis!

6. The National Enviornmental Policy Act!

7. The Medicare Act!

8. Wage & Price Controls

9. Whip Inflation Now! (remember the WIN buttons?)

10.The Mediteranian Fruit Fly Attack

I could go on, but... It's all pretty "relative" isn't it, compared to roughly 750 years of economic reward through affordable water for multi-millions of Americans.

And that's compared to the few hardy souls that liked to hike around in that hole in the desert and take pictures instead of storing water in it like a sistern!

37 posted on 09/06/2002 10:14:10 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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