What Bad Thing Has Saddam Done Lately?

Various ^ | 4 September 2002 | Self

[Fred Mertz]

I'll make this short and sweet. I have not seen evidence for a reason to invade Iraq or demand a regime change there.

Okay, Saddam gassed his own people twelve years ago or so. There have been multiple accusations of his development of weapons of mass destruction, including biological and chemical weapons development.

All the TV footage I see of Saddam Hussein is about 10 years old. Show me the evidence.

[justshe]

Unfortunately....I had a phone call mid-report. Glad to know it wasn't a fluff piece. Did you hear some indication that O'Reilly was going to follow-up?

[ganesha]

A build up toward going to war in Iraq would probably be accompanied by a drawdown of forces in Afghanistan.

My question would be: Assuming that it is necessary to go to war against Iraq, lets say that there is a 50 percent chance that Saddam will aquire nukes within five years but only a two percent chance that he will have nukes in twelve months. Do we then go to war immediately because of that two percent? Some would respond by saying that if we have to go to war anyway, we may as well do it now. But what if the cost in American lives of a plan which brings down Saddam within the next 12-18 months is significantly less than the cost of an invasion which will bring down Saddam within the next six months? Also how do these considerations apply to other countries who are trying to aquire WMD?

[Heyworth]

Let's see. Military dictator who won't allow free elections. Nuclear weapons. Active support of Taliban, and, by extension, al Qaeda. Known to be a hiding place of al Qaeda fugitives. Carrying on a covert war against a neighboring country.

Hey, gang, let's invade Pakistan!

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Ummm...okay.

[niki]

Let's just give him Czheckoslovakia... Oops! Wrong era.

Who is he going to conquer, other two-bit dictators who are not our friends. Big Deal. Let him kill off our enemies, what the hell do I care. Keep them busy killing each other off.

Why spend American blood and money, defending the likes of Saudi Arabia?

[BrooklynGOP]

Why spend American blood and money, defending the likes of Saudi Arabia?

What makes you thing we are defending them? Saudis are against this war.

[niki]

My mistake, I didn't think you were actually worried about Saddam invading Czechoslovakia.

[Sandy]

The evidence is irrelevant. What matters is that he's not our ally, we have terrorists to kill, and he's in the way. We can't go after the Saudis and the radical Islam crowd until Saddam is gone and Iraq is pro-America. That's the bottom line.

[glorygirl]

No, although he did have a Wall St. Journal editor on today in reference to another story..(WSJ did a long story on OKC connection to Iraq today.

See this thread.

[honway]

I have not seen evidence for a reason to invade Iraq or demand a regime change there

You ask a very good question, Fred. The President has not provided a sufficient case for the war that is soon to begin. The only logical conclusion I can reach is that the President has information justifying the coming war that he is not willing to share with the men and women that will fight and die for their country.

Based on my limited access to information from the foreign press, World Net Daily, Newsmax.com,U.S. newspapers, and the work on FR, I am convinced Saddam Hussein played a key role in the 1993 WTC bombing, the OKC bombing,the anthrax mailings, and the attack on 9-11.

I can only speculate why this and other administrations have gone out of their way to cover up the Iraqi role in these attacks. I am equally puzzled by the fact that in 2001 the U.S. bought $4 billion worth of Iraqi oil, financing the war machine our service men and women now face.

[redrock]

"The evidence is irrelevant. "

You're wrong....totally.

"[Our] fellow-citizens think they have a right to full information, in a case of such great concernment to them. It is their sweat which is to earn all the expenses of the war, and their blood which is to flow in expiation of the causes of it. It may be in [our] power to save them from these miseries by full communications and unrestrained details, postponing motives of delicacy to those of duty."
--Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:74

redrock

[SwordofTruth]

"We can't go after the Saudis..."

What makes you think that we are going after the Saudis?

I see no evidence of this.

[Sandy]

Perhaps I should have said "irrelevant to me". It's a dog and pony show at this point. I don't believe anything the government says, so I'm just sort of watching anymore. I gave up trying to sift the truth from the propaganda a while ago.

[Sandy]

Must be my eternal optimism.

[Lion's Cub]

Thanks for the flag.

From #366-

Here, the former officer is identified as "A.S." Among his claims is that Iraq had sent a ton of anthrax to bin Laden.

From http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/16/160324.shtml

Reports that Osama bin Laden was able to buy anthrax from a factory in the Czech Republic add further legitimacy to suspicions of a foreign bioterror tie. Iraq's intelligence service is in charge of Iraq's anthrax program.

It occurs to me that both reports could be true. Hussein could have paid for or authorized the sale from a factory in the Czech Republic and had it shipped to bin Laden. If a Czech Republic factory actually supplied that anthrax, it would explain why Prague backpeddled after announcing the meeting between Atta and al-Ani. Whoever leaked/released the story of the meeting hadn't traced where the anthrax was made yet...

[thinden]

happy hour was unexpectedly extended last nite.

I missed gibson. any reports on what happened?

[justshe]

The TV God's seemed to be arrayed against many of us. I had a phone call.

Read up......I think glory girl reported

[honway]

As we approach another war with Iraq, the resettlement of thousands of former Iraqi soldiers in the U.S. is one of the most important under reported stories of the last ten years. The FBI has established in court that some of these resettled Iraqi soldiers remained loyal to Saddam Hussein. The only unknown is how many.

For more information on the U.S. government's program to resettle former Iraqi soldiers in the U.S please see the following thread, in particular replies 66,68,70,73,75,82,84,85,92,95.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/726050/posts?q=1&&page=51

Another FBI Agent Blows the WhistleNew evidence FBI quashed another terror probe before 9/11

[Leper Messiah]

5) Broke his promise to the world and kicked out weapons inspectors. (1998)

That inspection program was compromised by covert operations specialists using the guise of the ispections to evesdrop and target Saddam. Anyone would have (and should have) kicked them out.

I hope that when Bush does bring out the evidence out that it will be clear and convincing, not some put up farcical BS like the CIA's "noseclimb" video simulation of TWA 800.

[Tymesup]

"farcical BS like the CIA's "noseclimb" video simulation of TWA 800. "

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