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What Bad Thing Has Saddam Done Lately?
Various ^ | 4 September 2002 | Self

Posted on 09/04/2002 7:21:03 PM PDT by Fred Mertz

I'll make this short and sweet. I have not seen evidence for a reason to invade Iraq or demand a regime change there.

Okay, Saddam gassed his own people twelve years ago or so. There have been multiple accusations of his development of weapons of mass destruction, including biological and chemical weapons development.

All the TV footage I see of Saddam Hussein is about 10 years old. Show me the evidence.


TOPICS: Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: evidence; terror; war
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To: Fred Mertz
I tend to look at the "big picture" Fred.

Saddam is a seriously de-stabalizing influence in the Middle East situation. So is Iran and our so called friends, "the Saudis".

The only way to peace in the ME is to quiet the de-stabalizers and encourage more Democracy. Turkey has come along way in this regard and the rest will follow if we remove the obsticles.

Iraq tops the list only because it is currently thumbing it's nose at the sanctions and at everyone else. Iran is as much or more important because of it's Islamicist leadership and it's importance as a potential threat if that leadership were to take complete control. Iraq is trying to make that happen.

Bush is well aware of the appearance of the "wag the dog" senario. I believe he is doing all he can to avoid that. If he really wanted to do something like that he would wait until the 2004 election season starts in 2003. Just about 6 months away. Not long to wait is it?

No, I think he is doing it now to avoid that perception.

201 posted on 09/04/2002 9:18:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: BrooklynGOP
Brooklyn, I don't think his browser can see #7. Give it a rest.
202 posted on 09/04/2002 9:18:12 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: semaj
All this talk of evidence might cause an observer to assume that we are talking about a court case taking place in a court room, being hashed out between lawyers. This is real life with the stakes being the lives of thousands and possibly millions of American lives if we hesitate to do the right thing.

Another good point

203 posted on 09/04/2002 9:18:24 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Fred Mertz; All
"What Bad Thing Has Saddam Done Lately?"

What an asinine question?

What bad things has Charlie Manson done lately?

Putz.

204 posted on 09/04/2002 9:18:47 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: BrooklynGOP
Okay, you've convinced me.
205 posted on 09/04/2002 9:19:43 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: OwenKellogg
Brooklyn, I don't think his browser can see #7. Give it a rest.

Yea, it's a known bug, but I think if I post it enough times it will get through.

206 posted on 09/04/2002 9:19:48 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: Fred Mertz; OwenKellogg
Okay, you've convinced me.

Owen, see, told ya Fred, so what took you so long?

207 posted on 09/04/2002 9:20:49 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
>>> Owen, see, told ya Fred, so what took you so long? <<<

It was a glitch in the matrix. Move along.

208 posted on 09/04/2002 9:21:58 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: VaBthang4
You've convinced me too. I really don't know what I was thinking of when I started this thread.

Thanks for helping me to see the light.
209 posted on 09/04/2002 9:22:19 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I really don't know what I was thinking of when I started this thread

So what have you learned today?

210 posted on 09/04/2002 9:23:01 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: Fred Mertz
That's what they said about Clinton.

Anyone who said that, even as early as 1991, is in serious need of a psych exam. I never trusted him for one second.

211 posted on 09/04/2002 9:23:28 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: BrooklynGOP
See #179

You have got to be kidding .. that is exactly what many on this thread have been saying

Now Fred .. why did you choose to ignore us all

212 posted on 09/04/2002 9:24:06 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
No matter how anyone spins it-Clinton and the UN are responsible for Saddam and Osama metasticizing.

Don't forget the EU, especially France.

213 posted on 09/04/2002 9:25:11 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: BrooklynGOP
You are missing the point. The point is that we've failed to hold Germany up to the agreement that was made.

Agreements made at the point of a gun are rarely wholehearted. It wasn't the buildup which led to war -- Great Britain and France outgunned and outpositioned Germany until their betrayal of Czechoslovakia. War came because of what the Allies allowed Hitler to DO with his buildup -- to invade other countries with impunity.

Doesn't matter. If Hitler didn't do what he did with Czcheckoslovakia he would've still started WW2.

Beg you pardon, but if you look back, that WAS the start of WWII. That aggression was the casus belli -- the proper point at which the Allies should have acted, and at which they had the means to crush Hitler.

I'm not saying that we aren't justified in attacking Iraq; I just don't completely agree with your historical parallel. If Bush has the evidence, he will present it to Congress and our representatives will sanction the appropriate action...

214 posted on 09/04/2002 9:28:08 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Fred Mertz
how about . . .

he's
BREATHED

That and what follows his breathing are quite enough, I think.

215 posted on 09/04/2002 9:28:41 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Mulder
What is the only government to use chemical weapons against US citizens on US soil?

It was called Project Whitecoat.

216 posted on 09/04/2002 9:28:57 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Always A Marine
Agreements made at the point of a gun are rarely wholehearted. It wasn't the buildup which led to war -- Great Britain and France outgunned and outpositioned Germany until their betrayal of Czechoslovakia. War came because of what the Allies allowed Hitler to DO with his buildup -- to invade other countries with impunity.

If we would have stopped him when he was just building up that would've been good enough.

Beg you pardon, but if you look back, that WAS the start of WWII. That aggression was the casus belli -- the proper point at which the Allies should have acted, and at which they had the means to crush Hitler.

They should've had him in check in mid 30's when he was stock piling when Germany wasn't supposed to.

If Bush has the evidence, he will present it to Congress and our representatives will sanction the appropriate action...

He have to hold him to the agreement that was made after gulf war.

217 posted on 09/04/2002 9:30:51 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: billhilly
Yes, they have been constantly goading the American viewing public about Iraq since 9/11. At first there were plenty of stories of connections with the Hijackers, then the stories of Battle Plans against Iraq (not news - we have a battle plan to invade every square foot of this Earth, even our own back yard), and now they are creating this great drama over will he/won't he.

Hating Saddam is easy to do, even the right thing to do. The media is manipulating that energy. Its all about selling products and keeping the viewer interested to do so.

Yet the forces are not there. I do not feel we are serious about hitting Iraq at the present time. Again, just my opinion.

218 posted on 09/04/2002 9:32:08 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Fred Mertz
The specific evidence you ask for is still classified, assuming you summarily discount the testimony of several defectors, and the intelligence that's available in the media.

Do you believe in the atomic structure of matter? Ever seen it, do you have, personally, specific evidence for the reality of atoms?

Seems to me you're just enjoying stirring up the hornets' nest with your inquiry.

It's a good question. History shall give you the answer.

219 posted on 09/04/2002 9:33:32 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Fred Mertz
Lets put all this together.

1. US attacks Iraq in the early 90s. Kicks Iraq's ass across the desert. Imposes sanctions. Tries for weapons inspectors.

2. To Iraq, that war never finished.

3. Revenge is a powerful motive.

4. No one else has any motive to do such a thing as Sept 11.

5. Iraq employs a band of thugs who feel that they are protecting every Muslim on earth. Tells them "these Muslims would not be suffering if it were not for the US led attack and sanctions".

6. An attack is planned and led in the name of "protecting Islam", which in reality is a revenge blow, and a message to 'get out of the middle east, and get the sanctions off'...

Iraq is suspect #1. They are the only ones with motive.

There is an obscure terror group in and from Iraq that specializes in attacking large stationary objects, such as buildings.

So far what I've said is circumstantial, but there is a lot more hard evidence in the lockers...

220 posted on 09/04/2002 9:35:14 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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