[Republic]

I hope, and pray, that AG John Ashcroft and team make life in America pure hell for those who would be likely to kill innocents under the name of Allah or any other so called God. Grownups make the moves that preserve freedom, children live in the 'it can't happen to me' world.

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Giving up a little freedom for a little security, because you're so grownup, eh?

One of our founding children had a few comments about that trade off.

[RJCogburn]

Grownups make the moves that preserve freedom, children live in the 'it can't happen to me' world.

Meaning, I guess, that those who think it's just fine to have these actions taken, disregarding the fact that in the future some really bad people (maybe Hillary!) may be in charge and able to take similar actions against good people (maybe me or you)are the ones in the 'it can't happen to me' world.

Meaning further, I guess, that those of us who think this is a dangerous path are the grownups.

[Eagle Eye]

Grownups make the moves that preserve freedom, children live in the 'it can't happen to me' world.

The Patriot Act and CFR are Constitutional abominations and diminish our freedoms. Bush and Ashcroft are behind those acts.

I'd place you in the camp (correct me if I'm wrong) that trusts the administration and its decisions simply because you don't think that the force of government can or will be used against you personally.

No matter how you shade it, taking freedoms from us doesn't make us more free or more secure.