Chickenhawks Crow for War

Moscow Times ^ | Matt Bivens

[Consort]

Democrats and Republicans whole heartedly support our military in time of war, but as soon as the fighting stops almost every Democrat, including those that wore the uniform, turn their backs on our service men and women. They take away needed funding and spend it on wasteful and addictive social programs and use our military as a laboratory for social engineering.
    The Republicans, on the other hand, whether or not they wore the uniform, fully support our service men in war time and in peace time. They support sufficient funding for material and equipment replenishment, for modernization, for training, etc.

[general_re]

Public self-stimulation is often indicative of underlying psychological disorders. Let us hope that Motherhood_Baseball_and_Apple_Pie gets the help that he/she so desperately needs...

[philosofy123]

Thanks for your comments about Pat Buchanan. I know that he rejects the NEOCONS war mongers. Our attention should be focused 100% on the Islamic jihadists cells in the USA, Europe, and around the world. If we must kick somebody's a## to show war on TV, then let us bomb Saudi Arabia. Their money, ideologies, and citizens killed 3000 Americans and set our economy back by estimated one trillion dollars.

[Diddle E. Squat]

[dighton]

I was always more of a Count Chocula kind of kid...

A scary cereal, boys and girls!

OWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I'd like to see the look of our enemies faces when they see that bad boy.

[Cacophonous]

Based on what I know of Buchanan--and I freely admit to being a biased admirer of the man--it seems doubtful he would have resorted to dirty tricks to avoid the draft. For one thing, he was already in ROTC. For another, he was a nobody accounting student with no clout or political connections. He had no strings to pull.

[Cacophonous]

I agree.

[Constitution Day]

Damn!
How can I get any work done when you are making me laugh?

[liberallarry]

You're probably right.

But I don't think dirty tricks are necessary. I know from personal experience and the experience of friends how arbitrary the system is.

I went before the board in '58. The army didn't need men at the time. I had just been refused a job as a roustabout in the oil fields because an X-Ray had turned up an abnormal vertebra. I took in the X-Ray and was rejected. Meanwhile people were inducted who could hardly speak English and fell over when asked to do deep-knee bends.

Some years later, at the height of the Viet Nam war, a friend was standing in line waiting for the doctor to say yea or nay. The doctor was a grumpy old fart who said yea to everyone. He went to lunch just before my friend's turn came. A young doctor took his place. My friend escaped. He quit law school the next day.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

A couple of famous Presidents were draft dodgers - FDR and Ronald Reagan.

Wrong. Your post proves you're ignorant. Reagan enlisted, that means he volunteered, in the Army reserve on 29 April 1937 at the age of 26. He was ordered to active duty on 19 April 1942 and restricted to limited duty due to poor eyesight. Ted Williams didn't beat a path to the recruiter's office on 7 Dec 1941. In fact, he hired an attorney to get him reclassified as III-A after the draft board changed it to I-A and told him to expect to be called up. Were it not for all the flack he took from the press, he may not have served at all.

[hellinahandcart]

A couple of famous Presidents were draft dodgers - FDR and Ronald Reagan.

You are mistaken about Captain Ronald Reagan. He was already in the reserves and went on active duty in 1942. If the Army kept him here, that's the Army's call, isn't it?

By your definition, my uncle "dodged" Vietnam because the Army sent him to Germany instead.

[liberallarry]

I hope you're right. My information is casual. Still, it's hard to believe that story about Ted Williams. Why did he re-enlist in Korea if he was so resistant to serving?

[hellinahandcart]

I hope you're right. My information is casual.

It was easy enough to confirm, through a "casual" search, that Reagan was indeed in the Army, and an officer, from the mid-thirties to the early fifties.

You made the mistake of believing some liberal.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Why did he re-enlist in Korea if he was so resistant to serving?

He didn't re-enlist. Williams was a commissioned officer in the Marine reserves subject to active duty. Retired officers are also subject to involuntary recall to active duty. He was ordered to active duty. He did not volunteer and he was quite unhappy about being taken away from baseball again.

Ted Williams

By the way, you owe Ronald Reagan a public apology.

[N. Theknow]

Here's another shot of that bad boy ChickenHawk!

[liberallarry]

I did make the mistake of believing some liberal.
I did do a Google. Your were right.
I apologize - my only excuse being one can't check everything and be right all the time.

[liberallarry]

By the way, it turns out I was also wrong about FDR.

In 1916 he was 34 years old, father of 5, recently recovered from typhoid fever, and - most important - Asst. Secretary of the Navy. So my public apologies to him as well.

[NorCoGOP]

The poster boy for draft-dodging, to hear the media tell it, has long been Bill Clinton. But Clinton also organized anti-war protests in the late 1960s, and years later, while running for office, was thoroughly grilled by the media and the public for his Vietnam-era conduct.

By contrast, the chickenhawks weaseled out of Vietnam while loudly proclaiming their support for it;

Let's get FACTS straight on this, all right?

Sure, many may have "supported" but not participated, or even found loopholes out of service, but the fact remains they supported it.

Bill Clinton, on the other hand, not only did not support, he FLED the country, AND, there is documented proof of his, in his own words, "Loathing" the military...something that continues TO THIS VERY DAY, not just with Vietnam, but his loathing of the military as a PRINCIPLE of his being.

[hellinahandcart]

Liberals are sneaky that way. They'll put more than one lie into the same sentence, so that you'll correct the most obviously outrageous one but leave the others unchallenged. Others hear the part you didn't challenge and assume it's true.

If a liberal tells you the sun rises in the east, get up early and check it out yourself.

I have to say, it feels weird telling that to a "liberallarry". :D