Protesters planning big demonstrations for meetings of World Bank and IMF/Free Republic

Nope, nope, nope: Freepers are not saying they're pro-IMF or World Bank. Please read the above threads. By "globalization" these protestors mean "anti-world capitalism." They want the IMF and World Bank to do more, like forgive all the debt etc. Look in the 150-200 range in the post, where panic struck regarding what Freepers were doing and then calm set in. And note post 214, where we got one last confused Freeper's confession, "I get it now!" when we *finally* persuaded them we were up to no such thing.

Enthused by my late-won persuasion of TaraBoom, I remain on duty, on patrol, :::::stomping out any rumors that Freepers are protesting in favor of the World Bank!:::::

It is absolutely accurate to say that they're not so much opposed to globalization as to who should be in charge of it. C'mon, trust us, we're the DC Chapter. We know who these guys are.

The protesters may very well be your enemy, but I ask you, who is your worse enemy? Is it the protesters or the IMF and the World Bank? One thing is very clear, the title on this post would indicate that Free Republic supports the IMF and the World Bank simply because it is protesting against the protesters. Pick your battles wisely and always choose to battle your worst enemy. It is apparent that you think the protesters are worse than the IMF and the World Bank or else you would be protesting against the IMF and the World Bank for your own reasons.

um, please read the posts in this thread and you'll see that we're protesting people for being anti-capitalists, that we've done this before with great success, this is an annual thing, etc. etc.

OK, OK, for those of you who simply don't have time to read all the previous posts and are jumping to conclusions, here again is a previously length post I made which sets forth what the leftists say they are protesting. As you can see from even a casual perusal, for them "globalization" means "capitalism." They want globalization, all right, they just want the "people" to be in charge of it and give lots of $ to other countries. Read on.

Everything that follows in this post is from the leftist websites. It's what we're protesting against. Read, please do not send me angry Freep mail making the mistake of thinking I espouse this. Sheesh. I'm saying that these people are worth counterprotesting against because look at what they believe. All the follows is their words, taken from the "anti-capitalist convergence" website, abolishthebank.org:

In the city where George Bush rules from the lap of luxury...where over 12,000 people sleep on the streets just outside the White House doors while 29,000 units of housing remain abandoned yet are still private property...where 40% of children live in poverty while a dinner with the elite can cost over a thousand dollars a head...where immigrants have few rights and resources ... where the powerful launch wars, bombings and sanctions ...where more people per capita have HIV than any other US city... where the World Bank and IMF dictate policies to developing countries forcing millions to live and die in poverty…in the city where citizens do not have voting rights and live under taxation without representation…in the city hailed as the capital of the free world we call for a People's Strike to shut down this machine and take back our freedom on September 27, 2002! In direct opposition to the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and all they represent we will shut down Washington DC on the first day of their Fall Meetings. These institutions exemplify how global capitalism promotes poverty, racism, sexism, environmental destruction, and the concentration of power and wealth in the hands of a few. We are calling for creative, confrontational opposition to capitalism and the crippling effects it has here in DC and around the world. This time around we are not just shutting down the meetings but extending our protests to disrupt all of the institutions headquartered in DC that play a part in this system. The US Treasury with the backing of the White House, Congress and other bodies of government are the primary decision-makers in the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. In turn, the government is influenced by multinational corporations with powerful lobbies, many headquartered on K St in downtown DC. To exploited people around the world the capital of the US is a symbol of global domination, and all that is wrong in the world. Taking back this city for one day in a spirit of resistance, defiance and love will be an act of self-determination to bring hope to ourselves and express solidarity to those struggling for freedom across the world - from Afghanistan to Argentina, South Africa to Iraq, Palestine to the Philippines. We are calling for NON-COMPLIANCE with the system in the tradition of strikes -a stoppage of normal activity to protest objectionable conditions, a halting of our participation in the system. We are calling for RESISTANCE to force the system to shut down. Refuse to go to work or school on September 27, or stay on the job and give everything out for free, slow down production, stick a wrench in the gears! Be in the streets, reclaim public space, discuss your ideas! Businesses, governmental institutions, schools and streets, will be shut down, and in many senses reopened to new uses. Through these actions we will take back and express our freedom, creativity and autonomy! The ideas and possibilities are virtually endless if we refuse to live in fear. What does Shut Down mean to you? What will you take back? We demand a change in the miserable conditions and exploitation enforced by these institutions and demand a world based on freedom and compassion. We demand: That the World Bank and IMF be abolished! We don't want a seat at the table to discuss reform; they are not reformable. An end to privatization and structural adjustment everywhere. An end to all debt! From debt owed by developing countries to personal debt. Housing and food for everyone. Freedom for everyone - Immigrant Rights, Civil Liberties, Women's liberation. An end to the racist prison industrial system. An end to imperialism and terrorism by the US government and all states. An end to the colonial status of DC and developing countries. We are striving toward the abolition of capitalism! No longer should ones survival and access to human needs be determined by ones economic means. Our resistance must be visible and confrontational to the powers that we oppose. The last two mass demonstrations in Washington DC have been almost completely void of direct action. We cannot allow the state to dictate our protests against them or simply use our legitimate resistance as a P.R. building tool. The state allows a place for "protest as usual" within "business as usual" and we must move outside the box, do the unexpected and truly challenge the system. Believe in what you can create and the strength of your actions… We hope to organize an action that is accessible to everyone who wants to participate, at many risk and experience levels. We will help however we can to provide information and a framework for actions to affect the overall plan of shutting down the city. But we will depend on individuals and affinity groups preparation and encourage everyone to come with their own ideas, supplies, and plans. This will not be a standard march and rally! Don't wait till the last minute to prepare. In order to pull this off it will take a massive organizing effort from every city, town and person who believes in a better world free from capitalism. Almost all of the organizing that can be done in Washington, DC can be done from anywhere so we are encouraging and depending on broad involvement in the organizing. Here are some of the many things you can do NOW to prepare for September: Form a group in your area to be the local contact for organizing The People's Strike or take on this task as a project of your existing group or collective. Organize an affinity group and be prepared for a large decentralized direct action. Organize road shows, teach ins, or workshops in your region. Bring outreach materials to bookstores, colleges, community spaces, local organizations or anywhere else. Organize buses, caravans or other transportation to DC from your area. Find housing in DC for people from your area. Fundraise for materials, travel and logistics. Donate to the DC ACC. Do artwork - make posters, and public art for the protest. Do direct action, legal, medical and other trainings in your area. Incorporate into your local organizing for The People's Strike how the problems created by capitalism and institutions like the IMF and World Bank manifest themselves in your town. Contact us for more ideas and information: thepeoplesstrike@mutualaid.org Issues/demands: The World Bank and IMF abolished! We don't want a seat at the table to discuss reform; they are not reformable. The World Bank and IMF are never going to reform themselves and abolish or even lesson poverty as they claim. To do so, would mean putting themselves out of a job, as their business is making money off loans to indebt countries. Structural Adjustment Programs, which are the strings attached to Bank and Fund loans, keep countries and their people impoverished by prescribing policies which have not in over 50 years improved economies and to the contrary have worsened the situations of people in poverty, created dependence rather than sustainability and ruin the environment. We demand an end to privatization and structural adjustment everywhere. We want healthcare, education, and clean water for everyone. Currently the few public services that are provided - in DC and around the world- are being taken away. In DC, the federal government mandated the closing of our only public hospital, leaving many people without jobs and many more people with no where to go for healthcare. Through structural adjustment the World Bank and IMF mandate the privatization of public hospitals or impose fees for health services in developing countries where mere pennies could provide life saving drugs and treatment. The privatization and de-funding of welfare, education, and electricity has sentenced millions to death around the world, while the privatization of prisons gives corporations a slave labor force. We need services based on need not on corporate greed. An end to all debt! From debt owed by developing countries to personal debt. Debt cripples countries and continues the cycle of IMF / World Bank loans and structural adjustment. Personal debt, through credit cards, high mortgages and other bills, takes away personal freedom and dignity. Personal debt is created through unfair credit and lending schemes designed to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. We want housing and food for everyone. There is more than enough food and housing available for everyone yet capitalism creates a tier system where only those who can pay can receive their basic needs while houses remain empty and food goes to rot and waste. In Washington DC there are over 29,000 empty units of housing yet, families are put on waiting lists for years to get into houses and meanwhile must sleep on the streets or in overcrowded shelters and if the city has its way another 15,000 families will be put on the streets next winter with a reduction in Section 8 public housing. Just this winter 11 people froze to death in DC, within miles of the White House and Congress. A few large corporations control the majority of the world's food supply and are working to commodify seeds, which farmers have saved for centuries, through genetic modification and force people in developing countries to move from self-sustainability to supermarkets. Freedom for everyone: Immigrant Rights and Civil Liberties. Under global capitalism corporations and money can move freely around the world yet, people are persecuted and denied their humanity when they move in search of a better life. People from around the world immigrate to DC, hoping for more freedom, many from countries devastated by war or decades of World Bank/ IMF policies. Upon arriving though, they often encounter racism, xenophobia, and poverty and find themselves with few rights and little control over their lives. With Bush's "war on terrorism" immigrant rights are being further eroded and many people are being taken from their families and put behind bars without explanation or justification - merely because of the color of their skin or country of origin. The "war on terrorism" is also used as an excuse to crack down on dissent and civil liberties. DC has installed an intricate surveillance system to monitor people and the FBI and CIA have extended powers to invade people's privacy and personal space. Women's liberation. Though women have fought for and achieved many rights in most countries there continues to be an attack on women's freedoms in the US and around the world. Bush is leading an assault on women's reproductive rights and heath with attacks on abortion while birth control and prenatal care continue to be accessible only to privileged women. Women, particularly women of color, are often the most exploited people in the global economy, they are the first to lose jobs under downsizing and face constant harassment and exploitation in export processing zones. Much of women's labor, including caring for the household and family and work outside of the formal job market, remains unrecognized and unappreciated leaving women overworked and oppressed. An end to the racist prison industrial system. Laws make it so that it is virtually illegal to be poor - there are numerous laws to lock people up for loitering, panhandling, shoplifting, 'vagrancy' and using drugs, all actions that are come from a lack of options or desperation and lack of hope created by capitalism. Racial profiling and institutionalized racism ensure that people of color are targeted, to ensure the marginalization and oppression of people of color. Corporations profit off of the labor of people in prisons, where people are legally considered slaves. People who do not fit it into the capitalist system and could pose a threat to its existence are locked up - in particular black men, Native American, and single moms. All prisoners are political prisoners! An end to imperialism and terrorism by the US government and all other states. The US government is currently involved in numerous brutal wars around the world. Yet, due to the collusion between the government, corporations who benefit from war and the corporate owned media few citizens know the real extent of the "war on terrorism" and the war waged in the name of 'free' trade. Soon the US has stated that it will launch a ground war in Iraq which is already decimated by US bombings that occur more than once a week and sanctions which cause Iraq's children to die of hunger and easily preventable diseases. This year the US will spend over a billion dollars to protect US oil interests in Colombia and pave the way for free trade zones there - in the process thousands of Colombians will loose their homes, their way of live will be destroyed and many will be murdered. The US uses sanctions against Cuba to attempt to get the country to bend to the US governments and corporations will and recently sanctions against the country have been increased. These are just examples, the US and its partners which include other governments, corporations and banks, are engaged in endless war to enforce the system of third world debt and the exploitation of people for cheap oil, designer clothing and global domination. End colonial status of DC and developing countries. DC is a colony of the US government, citizens in the District have no elected representatives in Congress and live under taxation without representation. Like developing countries where the World Bank and IMF dictate policies to the national governments the US Federal government dictates policies to local DC government. DC epitomizes the sham of representative democracy in the United States which does not represent peoples interest even when elites are 'elected' as 'leaders'. Like most colonies DC has an extreme system of racial and economic separation thousands of people are homeless, 40% of children live in poverty, wealthy suburbanites who work in DC use the cities resources for free and leave residents, who are a majority black, with some of the worst air quality in the country, poor schools and very few services. An end to capitalism! No longer should ones survival and access to human needs be determined by ones economic means. Capitalism thrives on the misery and impoverishment of the many for the luxury and wealth of the few. Capitalism relies on and uses racism and sexism to enforce economic and social inequalities. Capitalism is unsustainable, it creates discontent, it kills the environment and it is characterized by constant financial crisis and implosions. Workers, who create the economy, are left unemployed with worthless retirement plans and few recourses when companies like Enron and WorldCom go under and when manufacturing jobs move from country to country constantly seeking locations where they can exploit people, usually women and people of color, and the environment the most to obtain higher profits for CEOs and celebrity endorsers. Washington, DC, the capital of the most economically powerful country in the world, exemplifies the gluttony and misery of capitalism. Downtown is showy and rich while 7 blocks away there is extreme poverty, illness and discontent. DC displays on a small scale the great divides that capitalism creates. Endorsers of call: Enrag'es Collective, Louisville, Kentucky Left Turn Pittsburgh Organizing Group Seattle Anti-Capitalist Convergence, Seattle, WA Guilford Action Network, Greensboro, NC Burning River Revolutionary Anarchist Collective, Cleveland, OH Direct Action Network, Chicago, IL Portland Anti-Capitalist Action, Portland, OR Dr. Curtis Francis Doebbler, Washington, DC Houston Global Awareness Collective, Houston, TX Red Alert Collective, Des Moines, Iowa The Federal Library of Carthage Infoshop.org, Washington, DC Mintwood Media Collective, Washington, DC Two Rivers Earth First!, southern Maryland Greater Piney Point Area Anarchist Coalition Long Island Modern Times Collective Better Days Collective, Richmond, Virginia

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see that we're protesting people for being anti-capitalists, that we've done this before with great success, this is an annual thing, etc. etc.

I did read all the posts. You totally ignored my question. So incase you want to reply I will ask it again. Who is your worst enemy? Is it the protestors, who are anti capitalists or is it the IMF and the World Bank, who are tying to take over the world?

I'm really sorry to the gods of bandwith, but posting their statement seems to be the best way of killing these incessant rumors that Freepers are protesting in favor of globalization (or indeed that the leftists are truly against it).

Once again, you can read about how we've done this before successfully, how we have clear specific signs. Etc. etc.

HELLO. HELLO. Nope, nope, you did NOT read my posts. Or you would see that they ARE NOT anti-World Bank and IMF, just opposed to their policies and protesting those organizations because those organizations are NOT DOING ENOUGH in the opinion of the leftists. They want MORE globalization of stuff: like forgiveness of World Debt etc. etc. They just want to be in charge of the World Bank and the IMF basically.

Uh-uh, kind sir. You could *not* have read this thread carefully and considered the choice to be between anti-capitalists or the IMF/World Bank. That's a ridiculous false choice that is the one the leftists are trying to make you make. It's not the reality. Listen to us, not the leftist spin. We've done this every year, and very successfully. We've never come out looking pro-World Bank or IMF. Not once. Did you read THOSE posts?

So your question reveals that either you haven't read this thread carefully, or you just don't get. That's OK, I"m a patient person.

:::sigh:::

Resuming my seemingly *endless* duty of putting down these rumors. Very seriously considering grumbling to the original poster for not making this clear and purporting to speak re what we Freepers were going to be protesting and saying and wreaking all this confusion.

:::patrolling:::

without any real information concerning these organizations

See post 226 above. In an effort to drive a STAKE in the heart of any argument that these protestors are opposed to globalization (they're opposed to capitalism, they WANT organizations like the World Bank and the IMF to exist, they just want them to do things like forgive Third World debt and give away lots of $, they're just opposed to what they claim is "global capitalism"), I posted a WHOLE BUNCH directly from the leftist website so that you all could verify this.

I might add more or less (perhaps less) without a chip on my shoulder that anyone should be listening to the leftist spin rather than trusting fellow conservatives re what's going on here. Sigh.

Hey, Mudboy! Look at these reason posts and tell me:

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't choke myself.

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't choke anyone who claims to have read this thread (and the posts showing our tremendously successful rallies in the past against these protestors which clearly have never been pro-global), and yet can't give us one ounce of credit for figuring out what's going on in our back yard.

Oh, and give me one good reason why Brat -- after claiming he was going to march with THEM because he was anti-IMF and World Bank too -- totally shut up after I posted from their website showing they were no such thing.

Oh, just give me a drink. Sigh. Tgsl, this is lonely duty I'm doing here. I expect a twizzler or a gumdrop or something for this. :::splashing cold water on face to stay sane:::

Ok, re above post, sorry for griping. Discipline, discipline.

::::::patrolling::::::

You could *not* have read this thread carefully and considered the choice to be between anti-capitalists or the IMF/World Bank. That's a ridiculous false choice that is the one the leftists are trying to make you make. It's not the reality. Listen to us, not the leftist spin.

The protestors think the IMF and the World Bank is a capitalist endeavor. According to the protestors agenda (per your long post) they believe these organizations will eventually take over the world by putting everyone in debt. The next question gets to the heart of the matter. Do you think the World Bank and the IMF is a capitalist endeavor? Do you think the people behind the World Bank are looking to take over the world and are looking to put everyone into debt? If so then you would have to agree with some of what the protesters are saying. It appears that the protestors do not fully understand the original American definition of the word capitalism, they only know the form that it holds via the Federal Reserve System, the IMF and the World Bank.

HELLO. Protestors are protesting capitalism. They are saying that the war is racist. Etc. etc.

I don't think we get in trouble counterprotesting. I think we'd get in trouble listening to uninformed hand-wringing in cyberspace from people whom I've never seen out there helping us in years past.

Is that clear enough for you?

:::trying to be patient, not doing a very good job, pretty sure I've been lied to about this thread having been read, per Freepmail:::

By the way, what did you think, since you have said you read the thread, about the great and positive press we have received in the past when counterprotesting these groups? What did you think about all the congratulations from Fellow freepers nationwide about us getting the conservative message out in the past? How did that strike you? Since, as you represent, you've read it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743349/posts?page=123#123

::::abandoning my post::::

OK, I've gone out to have a drink and bang my head against the wall. So, like, anyone who wants to start a crazy rumor in this thread, this would be a good time I guess.

:::fleeing:::

TOP TEN THINGS I'M GOING TO DO IF THERE'S ONE MORE STUPID, ILL-INFORMED RUMOR THAT THIS FREEP WILL BE PRO-IMF

(10)Bang self in head with frying pan.
(9) Bang rumor-mongerer in head with frying pan.
(8) Post the entire contents of dcindymedia.org in one big long post that one can never reach the end of.
(7) Enter into access database all posts and all positions taken, cross-tabulated by area of country, and post statistical results showing rumor-mongerers living in coastal regions and sane people live in fly-over zones
(6) Invite entire DC Chapter to submit sworn affidavits that they have not and never will protest in favor of the World Bank.

(nonsensical comment to Paul and the band here)

(5) Hide under my bed and wait for daybreak.
(4) Go see good program on history channel with boyfriend.
(3) One word: vermouth
(2) If I told you what I was going to do, I'd have to kill you.

And the number one thing I'm going to do if there's one more rumor in this thread:

(1) Never abandon my post: remain and kill all rumors.