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California immigrants thrive where little English is spoken
fresnoBee.com State News ^ | September 2, 2002 | SANDRA MARQUEZ

Posted on 09/02/2002 8:14:25 AM PDT by sweetliberty

Edited on 04/12/2004 2:10:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: sweetliberty
Canada MANDATES all recent immigrants take french classes. (I do not know if that is just quebec) At home speak what you want but to live and work here in the usa you must speak english like all past immigrants.
41 posted on 09/02/2002 10:48:14 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: FreedomFriend
Yes you can buy new houses for $70,000 but they don't have any yard but they're not going to allow yards anyhow because there's not enough water. Just check the total amount of taxes you pay a year for that price house ---the tax rate is very high and one reason so many are leaving town. The other reason is lack of jobs but if you have the right kind of job it's a good deal.
42 posted on 09/02/2002 10:48:24 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FreedomFriend
I suppose that you support balkanization and bigotry of American culture?

Could you try that again, in English?

43 posted on 09/02/2002 10:49:24 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
And there are bigots who would dishonestly contend that all immigrants fit that profile

Agreed!

But to say that the rate of immigration is the root cause of the evil, neither impunes the intergrity of the immigrant nor the culture that is being impacted by the consequence of the sheer numbers.

California is financially drowning. The immigrant tide is inundating the system capacity. The personal character, intentions or cultural heritage of the immigrant is not the root cause.

The volume of their numbers is.

44 posted on 09/02/2002 10:56:49 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag; Flyer; Allegra; Illbay
Question? How Well is Assimilation going in the ever expanding number of areas that are predominately "Hispanic". (Note, illegal immigration areas)?

Houston Metropolitan Area

The Keys:
1990

Beige 0.0%-11.0% Hispanic
Yellow 11.2%-23.1% Hispanic
Green-Yellow 23.3%-39.3% Hispanic
Olive Green 39.9%-63.4% Hispanic
Forest Green 64.7%-100% Hispanic

2000/2010/2020
Beige 0.0%-14.1% Hispanic
Yellow 14.1%-27.5% Hispanic
Green-Yellow 27.7%-44.5% Hispanic
Olive Green 45.2%-67.1% Hispanic
Forest Green 67.6%-97.2% Hispanic

The Maps:

1990



2000


2010


2020


45 posted on 09/02/2002 10:57:22 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
Yes, but what would a house in Juarez cost? Half that?
46 posted on 09/02/2002 10:57:22 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: FreedomFriend
Let's consider not starting a graphics war. I haven't the time to wait for the thread to reload after each reply. Thanks.
47 posted on 09/02/2002 11:02:43 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
The immigrant tide is inundating the system capacity.

System capacity? Berries in the woods? Gaia?

Productive people increase wealth and capital resources.

48 posted on 09/02/2002 11:03:02 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Amerigomag
Really? I didn't realize that it effected your computer, as mine is able to download with ease.
49 posted on 09/02/2002 11:09:09 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Roscoe
Productive people increase wealth and capital resources.

Once again agreed.

But in our state's case it's the children that are at the focal point of the state's strained resources. The cost of providing housing, education and health care to this unproductive segment of our state's population are an enormous component of the state's present financial expenditures.

Notice that Dufus was satisfied with Saturday's budget deal because it "protected" these "core" state expenditures.

50 posted on 09/02/2002 11:13:37 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
The cost of providing housing, education and health care to this unproductive segment of our state's population are an enormous component of the state's present financial expenditures.

OK. But let's be careful not confuse to legal immigrants with illegal aliens.

51 posted on 09/02/2002 11:17:06 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: FreedomFriend
56k out here in the sticks.

Once your prior, admitedly revealing, submissions got into my "NEW POSTS TO YOU" I had lots of time to enjoy other pursuits while waiting for the page to load.

52 posted on 09/02/2002 11:17:50 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
the society chooses to avoid,

Great quote. Tragically, our society chooses to accept these days instead of avoiding.

53 posted on 09/02/2002 11:20:06 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Roscoe
But let's be careful not confuse to legal immigrants with illegal aliens

Dear Roscoe of the literally millions of immigrants who have moved to Califonia since 1980 how many Mexican citizens were admitted legally after following the appropriate proceedures within their own contry, waiting for their application to be approved and then emmigrating from Mexico.

Remember the INS stats for that period do not reflect the country of actual residence when legal status was granted.

54 posted on 09/02/2002 11:24:27 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: sweetliberty
So much for assimilating. I've pretty much come to conclusion that nothing will be done about immigration, legal or otherwise.
55 posted on 09/02/2002 11:26:46 AM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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To: crystalk
I'm not sure, as I haven't been there. However, you live in the El Paso area, don't you? Maybe you know.
56 posted on 09/02/2002 11:29:10 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: crystalk
Yes, but what would a house in Juarez cost? Half that?

He was talking about nicer new houses already built. You don't have to go to Juarez to get a house for half that ---you get houses really cheap in the colonias or build your own if you have enough cardboard and a few two-by-fours.

57 posted on 09/02/2002 11:29:56 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Roscoe
Productive people increase wealth and capital resources.

You have identified the problem. The flood of immigrants are not productive. They consume government provided services at rates far in excess of the taxable income they generate. The truly productive taxpayers of California are being squeezed so hard that they are fleeing California. Wealth and capital are being taxed away to provide government services. It is anything but a laissez faire exercise in capitalism. The socialists control the government and are squeezing the life out of CA.

58 posted on 09/02/2002 11:33:46 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: thathamiltonwoman
I've pretty much come to conclusion that nothing will be done about immigration, legal or otherwise.

Yup. It's pretty much become the "third rail" of American politics.

59 posted on 09/02/2002 11:34:25 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Roscoe
But let's be careful not confuse to legal immigrants with illegal aliens.

I try not to confuse them but when you look at how many legal immigrants are getting on SSI and using welfare programs, using a fraudulent "sponsor" system or the practice of "anchor babies" to collect their citizenship and welfare benefits, it's easy to have more sympathy for an illegal who at least is here working earning every dime they get.

60 posted on 09/02/2002 11:35:27 AM PDT by FITZ
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