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The Opposition - How the New York Times replaced the Democrats
The SundayTimes of London and Andrew Sullivan's website ^ | September 1, 2002 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 09/01/2002 12:36:08 PM PDT by Torie

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To: JohnHuang2
Raines is a Southern White liberal?.....my least favorite species.

I wish we could purge them.
21 posted on 09/01/2002 6:39:42 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: cyncooper
A 1958 smart girl ping!
22 posted on 09/01/2002 6:49:10 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: redlipstick
But there is also a creepy, paranoid hatred of the current president that is difficult to miss among the chief columnists at the paper. It would not be an exaggeration to say that, almost universally, they hate Bush in the way that some extreme conservatives once hated Clinton.

I part ways with Sullivan on his last line of this sentence. It seems to me that critics of Clinton had legitimate complaints. Complaints that have been borne out over time, not diminished.

The label of Clinton-hater was meant to imply that the "hater" had no basis, in fact, for his "hatred".

23 posted on 09/01/2002 7:13:11 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Torie
bump
24 posted on 09/01/2002 7:44:16 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Torie
The most frightening thing about this is that it is apparently working. If the polls are correct that is, the support for attacking Iraq is dwindling. Heard such a statement this very morning on MSNBC.
If these voices win, we are doomed. I can only hope that what I believe to be true about our President is right, and that he will ignore the terrorist appeasers, and do the right thing.
25 posted on 09/01/2002 9:35:55 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
How the New York Times replaced the Democrats

It has been my contention for some time that the media(NYT in this case) is in a better position to advance the Dim's social causes than the Dims. Fact is, the NYT is out front on this one and the Dims are acting like they don't have the stomach for it. The NYT is not running for re-election this year ; )

The most frightening thing about this is that it is apparently working.

It should come as no surprise. The Times is on the case; we don't need no stinkin' congressmen!

FGS

26 posted on 09/02/2002 8:24:10 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: Landru; bert; calypgin; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Mr. Mulliner
Thanks Mr for the heads up on this one. Great piece guys(and gals).

FGS

27 posted on 09/02/2002 8:28:54 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: ForGod'sSake
I LOVE that graphic, FGS!
28 posted on 09/02/2002 8:50:08 AM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Torie
Sullivan is a homogenius and a major thorn in the side of American Liberals.
29 posted on 09/02/2002 9:00:10 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Thanks and BUMP ; )

FGS

30 posted on 09/02/2002 9:47:27 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: ForGod'sSake
Excellent.
You knew this one would hit my "Hot Button" like a sledge hammer, huh? {g}

Sullivan nails yet another one; &, interestingly enough?
It takes an English publication to frame what's going on here stateside with our own Liberal-Socialist media as led by the toilet I affectionately call the NYSlimes.
Amazing.

I do take exception with a few things said, though.
Not to parse too much, one guy above named one point of contention when the use of "Clinton Hater" was used as-if there existed no just cause?
But, the main rub (for me) is Sullivan's *perception* of this disgusting rag as he wrote:

"Beginning in July, he used the most authoritative front-page in America to run a series..."

Nonsense.
One must have credibility to ever be considered, "authorative."

...the NYSlimes has none of either; &, hasn't for some time, now.

31 posted on 09/02/2002 11:32:18 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Landru
You knew this one would hit my "Hot Button" like a sledge hammer, huh?

heh, heh ; )

I also find it interesting he used the expression, NYT replaces Dims as the opposition. I wonder if he suspects the possibility of the major media actually taking point for the Dims most of the time. The Dims will generally join the parade; sometimes sooner, sometimes later. Since the Dims have no core values, they go wherever the major media takes 'em. Is this reaching??????

FGS

32 posted on 09/02/2002 7:54:02 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: Torie
Brilliant Analysis PING!

I knew that the NYT was was off in the deep-end politically, even for this traditionally liberal paper ... but the cause and source of it was not clear to me. I didnt know they had a new exec editor ... Just like CNN became Clinton News Network under Kaplan, NYT is Howell Raines' Liberal trash rag. I had to dissect the Alaska eco-lie from NYT here on FR, good to know Andrew Sullivan and others caught it too.

The Cancer Is Spreading!
... thanks to the web, the Truth Is Also Out There! :-) ... thanks to Andrew Sullivan for a great column!
33 posted on 09/02/2002 8:38:29 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: ForGod'sSake
"I wonder if he suspects the possibility of the major media actually taking point for the Dims most of the time."

Sure he does; he must.
Associated Press has a presence in Europe too, right?
The damnedable little socialist bees are as busy there as they are here, shamelessly buttressing *everything* Liberal-Socialist to come down the pike 24&7 plus making some of the pap up themselves, now & then.

Sullivan strikes me as much too bright to not be aware of which direction & who's behind the onslaught of Leftist gobbledegook.

"The Dims will generally join the parade; sometimes sooner, sometimes later. Since the Dims have no core values, they go wherever the major media takes 'em. Is this reaching??????"

Sure it is.
Phoney is, as phoney does; in fact?
Both entities are comprised mostly of not much more, than illusion.
If the relationship between these two weren't so dangerous, I'd say it were laughable.

..."playing jester to the clown," I believe the relationship's called?

34 posted on 09/03/2002 6:15:18 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Torie
Thanks for the ping. To me, Sullivan often seems more objective than practically anyone else... Still, who's going to replace the NYT ? Maybe if their circulation drops.. but that hasnt happened yet ,as far as I know..
35 posted on 09/03/2002 6:21:46 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Torie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/738494/posts

The Loyal Opposition
The New York Times ^ | 08/24/2002 | BILL KELLER

Posted on 08/24/2002 0:13 AM Eastern by Pokey78

If candor counted for as much as courtesy, the author...............

36 posted on 09/03/2002 6:22:11 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Landru; bert; Peacerose
Both entities are comprised mostly of not much more, than illusion.

The David Copperfield School of Journalism; where perception is reality? Dead on! humina, humina....I see a David Copperfield Journalism Award in here somewhere. I'll have to work on that.

If the relationship between these two weren't so dangerous, I'd say it were laughable.

Couldn't have said it better myself ; )

FGS

37 posted on 09/03/2002 10:34:01 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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To: WOSG; Torie
Howell Raines is just doing his boss's bidding. The man behind this change is Pinch Sulzberger.
38 posted on 09/08/2002 3:47:51 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: jackbill
To be effective as propaganda, even propaganda cannot be too obvious. Joseph Goebbels recognized this. I wonder why Howell Raines and Pinch Sulzberger cannot.
39 posted on 09/08/2002 3:50:16 PM PDT by aristeides
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