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Germany Refuses U.S. Evidence Against Sept. 11 Suspect Without Assurance He Won't Be Executed
AP via TBO.com ^ | Aug 31, 2002

Posted on 08/31/2002 1:38:51 PM PDT by Jean S

Germany Refuses U.S. Evidence Against Sept. 11 Suspect Without Assurance He Won't Be Executed, Minister Says

BERLIN (AP) - Germany has told the United States it will withhold evidence against Sept. 11 conspiracy defendant Zacarias Moussaoui unless it receives assurances that the material won't be used to secure a death penalty against him, Germany's justice minister said in remarks released Saturday.

Investigators suspect Moussaoui, who is awaiting trial in Virginia on charges of conspiracy to commit terrorism and murder federal employees, was training to become the pilot of one of the airliners hijacked for the attacks when he was arrested.

German prosecutors say he received money for flight school fees from a member of the terrorist group based in the northern city of Hamburg. But the government insists it can't bend laws forbidding the extradition of suspects to countries with the death penalty or supplying evidence that could incriminate someone facing execution.

In an interview with the Der Spiegel news weekly, Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin said Germany would provide documents on Moussaoui to the United States on condition that they "may not be used for a death sentence or an execution."

A letter explaining the long-standing German position had been sent to U.S. authorities in reply to a request for information about Moussaoui, she said.

"At the moment, the United States are examining our answer and will then get back to us," she said.

Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement for membership of the 15-member European Union.

Daeubler-Gmelin insisted the exchange was not putting more pressure on relations between the Germany and the United States already strained by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's criticism of U.S. threats to attack Iraq.

Cooperation between justice authorities in the two countries is "good and trustful," Daeubler-Gmelin said. "After Sept. 11, one shouldn't try to soften that."

Moussaoui, 34, was arrested last summer at a flight school in Minnesota and became the first person to be charged directly in connection with the attacks. He is being held in custody in pending the opening of his trial in January.

U.S. law enforcement officials have said Moussaoui received two money transfers from Ramzi Binalshibh, who roomed with suicide pilot Mohamed Atta in Hamburg and wanted to take part in the hijackings, but was unable to secure a visa.

German prosecutors this week announced that they had charged another suspect, Mounir El Motassadeq, with belonging to a terror group and 3,000 counts of being an accessory to murder for his alleged support for the Hamburg terror cell.

AP-ES-08-31-02 1607EDT


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: zacariasmoussaoui
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To: Illbay
"Justice Scalia.. gave as his opinion that the reason that Europeans are so squeamish about capital punishment…is because they are a "post-Christian" society of mostly atheists.

As a capital punishment promoting atheist, I'd like to see a correlation between religion and capital punishment before I'd take that claim seriously.

81 posted on 08/31/2002 5:04:16 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: JeanS
..."or supplying evidence that could incriminate someone facing execution."

You just did! ;-)

82 posted on 08/31/2002 5:06:41 PM PDT by NordP
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To: JeanS
Germany has no right to dictate how we treat criminals. Why are they so concerned about the terrorists?
83 posted on 08/31/2002 5:06:51 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dog
SCREW'M.
BLOCK THE IMPORT OF BMW'S.... THAT WILL SHOW'M
84 posted on 08/31/2002 5:08:18 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: pointsal
And have the WTO slap a few more billion in penalties on the US?

We've lost this really. Like naive schoolgirls we kept convincing ourselves it's okay "as long as it doesn't go all the way in". Now we're barefoot and pregnant and wondering how it happened.
85 posted on 08/31/2002 5:11:24 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: JeanS
You do understand the new tactic that OBL will employ.

He's going to do all financial transactions and perform incriminating acts in the EU. That way the US if it catches members of his organization will have no proof.

Thanks Europe for once again getting more Americans in a fatal situation.
86 posted on 08/31/2002 5:17:59 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Bogey78O
Notice "think" in quotation marks.
87 posted on 08/31/2002 5:19:22 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: JeanS
Bomb Germany!
88 posted on 08/31/2002 5:22:08 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: JeanS
OK, GERMANY can have him!
89 posted on 08/31/2002 5:45:51 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Polybius
Please explain why European Unity is a Good Thing ?

All I have seen(at a distance) is the imposition of an unelected gov't which sees to it that grocers are punished and murderers not.

90 posted on 08/31/2002 6:32:42 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: nravoter
oops, didn't mean to kill the bastard. all we have to do is say we're sorry... won't do it again.
91 posted on 08/31/2002 6:33:39 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: Bogey78O
Read the thread if you're looking for "jackass" comments.
92 posted on 08/31/2002 6:37:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: contessa machiaveli
I like the way you're thinking...

Or, better yet, they guy never even makes it to trial... hopefully someone will do him in prison.
93 posted on 08/31/2002 6:42:09 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Peach
Actually, give him life in prison and turn him loose among the prison population. He will soon be begging for death and may bring about his own suicide. These kinds of things work themselves out.

Besides, if he is sentenced to death, he will languish for 20 or more years appealing, and be afforded protection and his own cell with TV etc.

I say agree to not give him the death sentence, then put him away in the worst prison in the country, among the inmates.

He won't last a year.

94 posted on 08/31/2002 6:46:07 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: GVgirl
N aw. Just hit them where it hurts, their pocketbook. Tell them to shove your evidence and we will encourage the citizens of the US how Germany feels about our enemies and encourage them to not visit that country ever again. Also, we can do without their Mercedes, BMW's and other german made products.

As a nation we can hurt these righteous bastards. I never buy anything from France, have not done so since Viet Nam, where they profited from arms sales to the North VN.

Just look at labels and do not buy anything from Germany nor France.

95 posted on 08/31/2002 6:52:45 PM PDT by rstevens
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To: rstevens
J. Dahlmer met his fate in such a way.
96 posted on 08/31/2002 6:56:33 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: JeanS
Looks like we need to invade Germany. The Afghanistan government demanded to see the evidence that bin Laden was the mastermind and the US refused. They didn't have any evidence but who cares? They attacked Afghanistan and installed a new government (one just as bad as the last government).

So let's do the same in Germany since we have the appropriate conditions.

97 posted on 08/31/2002 7:08:33 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Lazamataz
Judging by the rest of this thread, I don't think anyone is going to get the subtleness of your post. They'll agree with you I'm betting.
98 posted on 08/31/2002 7:10:56 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: JeanS
Just remember, East Germany is now part of the whole, and the Turks are a big "mulcultural" factor!

Otherwize, everyone knows that Saddam is some kind of a nut.

99 posted on 08/31/2002 7:19:02 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: Lazamataz
#13

Some sort of leftist thing, actually.

Don't forget, Schroeder was supposed to be Clinton's guy.

100 posted on 08/31/2002 7:23:12 PM PDT by Bogie
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