Germany Refuses U.S. Evidence Against Sept. 11 Suspect Without Assurance He Won't Be Executed

AP via TBO.com ^ | Aug 31, 2002

[Bogey78O]

Ha! good one.

[Poohbah]

OK, moral dilemma for you, Laz:

The situation, from what I've read, is that the large number of people behind the officer and the soon-to-be-dead partisan are (a) being shown what happens when you dis the Wehrmacht, and (b) are being covered by a few MG42s.

Try for the gun, and your fellow countrymen, most of whom are your resource base for being a partisan (and thus enable future ops by your comrades) are going to get mown down like wheatstalks at harvest time.

Get shot, and the good folk go back to their homes, and many look for a way to stick it to the Hun bastards at a more propitious time.

Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when the come for you? (Bad Boys Bad Bad Boys) Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

[GVnana]

Germany has told the United States it will withhold evidence against Sept. 11 conspiracy defendant Zacarias Moussaoui unless it receives assurances that the material won't be used to secure a death penalty

Extortion

[Bogey78O]

Don't get us wrong. We've really come full circle. Whereas in 1940 the fascists and the nazis had pushed all the free peoples off the mainland with only Britain hanging on to an island. In the 2000s we have the same thing with very litle difference.

[nravoter]

I say we agree to their terms, get the proof, and execute him anyway. A post-execution exchange might go something like this:

Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin: But, you said you vould not execute ze prisoner!

GWB: Well, you know, we didn't mean to kill him, Herta, but a funny thing happened on the way to the delousing chamber.

[Bogey78O]

I say we contract the Mossad. Get them to steal the evidence for us and as a thank you we give Israel a nice shiney piece of military hardware.

[eabinga]

I say we stop issuing visas to German citizens until they turn over the evidence. Same with any other country that withholds evidence or refuses to exradite wanted terrorists.

Visas? What Visas? Germany is on the Visa Waiver (tm) programm.

[PhilDragoo]

Bump for the tender-hearted Germans, who wouldn't hurt a fly.

It seems those tender-hearted Germans went to great pains to protect the mother of all flybait:

It was reported from Paris that Saddam has a vast subterranean bomb shelter, a nuclear-proof "minicity", where he could hide for months from a US attack with no outside help, said Iraqi exiles.

They said Saddam had always been fascinated with underground shelters, and that the weapons of mass destruction currently the object of UN weapons inspectors were undoubtedly hidden beneath ground.

The sources said the sonar scanners used by UN weapons inspectors in 1993 to locate Saddam's weapons had found nothing because the weapons were buried too deep.

They said that although German engineers had designed Saddam's underground bomb shelter, it had been built exclusively by Iraqis to keep the exact location a secret.

The fate of the builders remains uncertain, they said.

The exiles described the shelter as a veritable palace, equipped to withstand nuclear attack, in which Saddam and his immediate family could live in total comfort for months with even a gymnasium, sauna, patio and artificial plants to provide the illusion of a garden.

The shelter is powered by its own underground electricity generating plant and equipped with a sophisticated telephone system. The system was so vast that it had electric cars. -- Sapa-AFP

Reminiscent of Yamantau Mountain

[Diddle E. Squat]

OK, I say we agree to no death penalty, if we sentence him to a 'Boxing Helena' penitentiary. Wouldn't even have to be for life, if that was the case.

[jimbo123]

Contact link for the German Federal Minister of Justice Here: http://www.bmj.bund.de/eng/ministry/minister/10000003/

[Mr. Mojo]

this justifies a full-scale invasion, and conversion to an American state, of this once-sovereign nation.

The Nazis, and most of continental Europe for that matter, seem to have serious problems with amenisa. Perhaps flying a squadron of bombers over Dresden and Hamburg (without dropping any firebombs.....yet) will refresh their collectiv(ist) memories.

[PhilDragoo]

Thank you for the link.

I demanded of the Secretary of State that she provide the evidence re Moussaoui.

She said she'd be in touch with me soon.

I'll forward the evidence to Mike in Queens who told Osama "this is my face. I live in Queens. You can kiss my [moose]."

Execute Moussaoui?

No no no no. I've got a perfectly good battery charger. I know the boy can dance.

[Illbay]

Justice Scalia in comments at a legal forum late last year, gave as his opinion that the reason that Europeans are so squeamish about capital punishment--even though Europe invented such methods of execution as hanging (Germany) and the guillotine (France)--is because they are a "post-Christian" society of mostly atheists.

Paraphrasing Justice Scalia: "If you believe that there is NOTHING AT ALL after this life, then in taking a man's life from him you take ALL THAT HE HAS. The religious person sees it merely as sending him on to his ultimate judgement, but the individual continues."

[contessa machiaveli]

simple, say one thing and do another.

[NorCoGOP]

Amen to that...never been to Auschwitz, but did tour the site of Dachau...I'll never forget that. Ever.

The overpowerful sense of evil could be felt in every step, with every room full of exhibits...

[Illbay]

Why should they do that, when they can just pay some

schmuck at the Pentagon to give them the plants for a lot less cost?

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Let's go to war with Germany again. We'll kick their asses again.

[1rudeboy]

If the shoe was on the other foot, the "constitutionalists" would be applauding. Why are we so willing to piss on the idea of national sovereignty when it doesn't involve our own?

[AmishDude]

I see it as Europeans saying "We are against the death penalty," in the way some trendy people say "I am a vegetarian." Smug self-righteousness and all. Just like the trendoids sneak a hot dog here and there when nobody's looking, I would wonder how many suspects in German custody never actually make it to trial? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if European juris prudence involves a 21st century version of "shot while trying to escape."

[Bogey78O]

Who said it's not their prerogative? We're just saying they're being jackasses. Sheesh.