Germany Refuses U.S. Evidence Against Sept. 11 Suspect Without Assurance He Won't Be Executed

AP via TBO.com ^ | Aug 31, 2002

[what's up]

OK...just wait for a major terrorist attack on their soil where thousands are killed...that'll change their mind.

[Peach]

I would promise not to execute him as long as they agreed we could torture him.

That works for me.

[MadIvan]

What, the Germans think we don't remember a time when they didn't revere life? Please.

I recommend that everyone takes the time, trouble and expense to visit Auschwitz at some point. It is just outside the lovely city of Krakow, which is a good place to wash away the pain of what you see.

It is horrifying - the whole "Arbeit Macht Frei" on the gates, the piles of luggage, glasses, human hair - take a tour through the camp, see the ovens where the bodies were roasted - and if you look among the tall grass - the flecks of human bone are still there on the ground.

The Germans are in no position to lecture anyone. They should be grateful we didn't destroy them completely. We had every moral right to do so.

Regards, Ivan

[Peach]

It seems everyone is re-writing history to suit themselves. As the population gets older and forgets historical facts and the PC people get the history books changed, a new REALITY will set in. What's wrong will be right, etc.

[Peach]

They should be grateful we didn't destroy them completely. We had every moral right to do so.

More than a moral right, it was an obligation. I'm half German and suspect in another 20 years by the time the Germans get through re-writing history, we will have attacked them unprovoked.

[OldPossum]

The U.S. should agree to that condition, and after he is found guilty, put him in a state prison among the general population. Job done.

[Poohbah]

Ty Bomba, a wargame designer and historian, described the motivation of the average Red Army soldier something like this:

"In the end, it came down to revenge. Revenge for wives, children, siblings, parents, friends, and complete strangers; revenge for murders and rapes; revenge for villages destroyed and fields salted; and, eventually, revenge just for the sheer joy of it. The Germans call 1945 'The Beating Down.' The best argument for Russians being basically kind-hearted and decent as a culture is that they didn't kill every single German in the Soviet Occupation Zone after the war."

[jimbo123]

The hypocritical people that gave the world Hitler are showing their true colors again.

[PhilDragoo]

A recommendation for the tour at 19.

Memo to Germany: We know what you did last century.

Now cut the Stierscheiße and give us the evidence.

[struwwelpeter]

In the eastern Ukraine recently I was at a museum dedicated to the molodaya gvardiya, a band of teenagers who became partisans during WW II. The displays included the original German logs of their "interrogations", torture implements, and pictures of the executions. Even the grafitti on their cell walls was recorded by the methodical huns.

If you ever see a picture of a young blond girl being hanged while her boyfriend looks on, that's the face of Teutonic compassion.

[Prodigal Son]

"Oh you meant you didn't want us to kill him?! Well you see, "execute" has 56 1/2 definitions and we were talking about definition number 63... Sorry about the misunderstanding."

[Polybius]

Considering how badly behaved they're being, I suppose it's a matter of time before we'll have to shoot them again. Oh blimey, this time can we break up Germany completely?

But Ivan, the problem is not only with Germany but also with the entire European Union, including Britain.

As the article state: Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement for membership of the 15-member European Union.

Up until 1945, the History of Western Europe was an orgy of inter-European warfare as well as dosmestic bloodshed on the streets, the gallows, the guillotines, the concentration camp gas chambers and the firing squad execution walls.

After the Pax Americana was imposed by the United States of America on Western Europe, the Western Europeans have used this prolonged period of internal Peace, not seen since the Pax Romana, to become self-righteous Peaceniks.

They are now bent on lecturing the Americans, who have assumed the dirty but necessary military burden of defending Europe from the rest of the cold, cruel world and keeping the world's sea lanes open for Europe, about the evils of anything short of Utopian Peace.

[Jeff Chandler]

I have a hunch Nazism is on the rise in Germany.

No proof, just a hunch.

So this justifies a full-scale invasion, and conversion to an American state, of this once-sovereign nation.

Oh, I get it. Har har har har! You're comparing Deutschland to Iraq. Clever, very clever. Well, not actually clever. Silly. Yes, silly. That's the word I was looking for. Sorry about the mix-up.

[Hugin]

I say we stop issuing visas to German citizens until they turn over the evidence. Same with any other country that withholds evidence or refuses to exradite wanted terrorists.

[CindyDawg]

Why bring him to the U.S. anyway?

[Mentos]

Maybe they'd reconsider their objections to capital punishment if we promised to use Zyklon-B

[Lazamataz]

Your mind-reading skills are on the wane. Stick to dishwasher repair.

Better future for ya.

[MadIvan]

As the article state: Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement for membership of the 15-member European Union

I don't recall us refusing you a prisoner on that basis. You are making an assumption that because we are members of the EU (something that America encouraged Britain to be part of as far back as JFK), that we are like the Continentals. That is patently false.

Regards, Ivan

[Lazamataz]

In that picture: Are the last few seconds of life SO PRECIOUS that the fellow sitting on the edge of the pit couldn't try -- failing, but trying anyways -- to grab the executioners gun?

[Jeff Chandler]

Your mind-reading skills are on the wane. Stick to dishwasher repair.

LOL! My paranoia is showing.

I don't know about going into dishwasher repair. Doesn't sound too exciting. How about door-to-door gynecology?