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To: Polybius
As the article state: Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement for membership of the 15-member European Union

I don't recall us refusing you a prisoner on that basis. You are making an assumption that because we are members of the EU (something that America encouraged Britain to be part of as far back as JFK), that we are like the Continentals. That is patently false.

Regards, Ivan

38 posted on 08/31/2002 2:33:31 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Don't get us wrong. We've really come full circle. Whereas in 1940 the fascists and the nazis had pushed all the free peoples off the mainland with only Britain hanging on to an island. In the 2000s we have the same thing with very litle difference.
44 posted on 08/31/2002 2:40:31 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: MadIvan
As the article states: Outlawing the death penalty is a requirement for membership of the 15-member European Union.
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I don't recall us refusing you a prisoner on that basis. You are making an assumption that because we are members of the EU (something that America encouraged Britain to be part of as far back as JFK), that we are like the Continentals. That is patently false.

I am not saying that the Britons are like the Continentals. However, Britain has signed on to the Continentals' body of law in the form of the European Union.

As a result, as the Associated Press article referenced below points out:

"Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights bars Britain and the other signatories from extraditing prisoners if they could face capital punishment."

Therefore, as the Sunday Telegraph reported in October, 2001:

"Home Secretary David Blunkett had told American officials he would approve extradition only if the United States waived the right to impose the death penalty" in the case of terrorist suspects.

It is true that Britons are not like Continentals. That is why it is so mind-boggling to me that Britain signed away even portions of it's sovereignty to the European Union.

European unity is not a bad thing. That is why the U.S. has encouraged it for decades. However, Britain should have fought harder to retain it's full sovereignty and make the Continent become more like Britain rather than allowing Britain to become more like the Continent.

Regards,
Polybius

U.S. death penalty could prove hurdle to extradition of terror suspects from Britain
Associated Press
10/8/01

European human-rights legislation may hinder Britain from extraditing suspects in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks who could face the death penalty in the United States, a government official said Sunday. Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights bars Britain and the other signatories from extraditing prisoners if they could face capital punishment. There is no death penalty in any of the 15 member nations of the European Union.

The Sunday Telegraph newspaper reported that Home Secretary David Blunkett had told American officials he would approve extradition only if the United States waived the right to impose the death penalty. U.S. officials may want to extradite Lotfi Raissi, an Algerian pilot who prosecutors say instructed some of the hijackers on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. Raissi was arrested in London Sept. 21 on a U.S. warrant and could face charges of conspiracy to murder.

On Sunday, Blunkett acknowledged that the government could "spend years losing" legal challenges if it contravened Article 3. But he said he was not seeking a "blanket commitment" from the United States that the death penalty would not be imposed. Blunkett told the British Broadcasting Corp. that officials would "find ways round the situation." He added: "We will ensure that we do what the rest of the world expect, which is to get people back to them when they're a democracy, when they have a perfectly open and accountable judicial system and where they know that someone is suspected of carrying out a terrorist act."

Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, European Union leaders agreed to streamline extradition procedures within the union and said they also wanted to make it easier for suspects to be extradited to the United States, but sought assurances from Washington that those handed over will not face death sentences. Belgian Justice Minister Marc Verwilghen said at the time that extradition could not proceed until the death penalty issue was resolved. "We always have said in the EU that the execution of the death penalty is not an option," Verwilghen said.

64 posted on 08/31/2002 3:43:23 PM PDT by Polybius
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