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Iraq Tells U.S. It's No Afghanistan
Reuters ^ | 8/30/02 | Nadim Ladki

Posted on 08/30/2002 9:57:21 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo

Iraq said on Friday the United States would not be able to bring down President Saddam Hussein the same way it toppled Afghanistan's Taliban, as Washington pressed ahead with the case for action against the Iraqi leader.

The United States ignored calls for a new U.N. Security Council resolution to approve any American military action against Iraq as its key ally British Prime Minister Tony Blair faced opposition from his own party to a U.S.-led attack.

In a sign of rising tension, U.S. jets attacked an anti-aircraft missile site in a "no-fly" zone of southern Iraq in response to what the U.S. military said were repeated Iraqi attempts to shoot down American and British jets patrolling the zone. It was the eighth raid in less than two weeks.

A top United Nations arms inspector also said Iraqi reluctance to allow new inspections could suggest it may be hiding biological weapons.

Iraqi Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan said Washington knew it would not be able to overthrow Saddam the same way it ousted the Taliban.

"We don't want to compare the two; Iraq is not Afghanistan," Ramadan told reporters in Beirut. "I believe that the U.S. administration is convinced of that."

Iraqi opposition sources said they were planning to meet in September to elect a government backed by the United States.

But Ramadan said: "This talk about the Iraqi opposition is insignificant, something that doesn't merit a reply. It doesn't exist, and has no roots on the ground in Iraq."

On Thursday Vice President Dick Cheney hammered home Washington's case for pre-emptive action against Baghdad, brushing off a groundswell of unease among European allies, Muslim states and broader world public opinion.

President Bush, without directly mentioning Iraq or Saddam, reinforced the message in fund-raising speeches in Arkansas and Oklahoma.

"We owe it to our children, we owe it to our grandchildren to make sure that the world's worst leaders do not develop and deploy the world's worst weapons," Bush said.

But despite the drumbeat sounded by the Bush administration, military and security experts say U.S. plans remain shrouded in uncertainty and a war with Iraq could still be months away.

They said they saw few signs of the kind of buildup required for a ground invasion of Iraq, or even of a consensus on what shape it should take.

U.S. SILENT ON POSSIBLE U.N. RESOLUTION

At the United Nations, talk about a new U.N. Security Council resolution to approve any American military action against Iraq was gaining momentum though discussions around the world were still at an early stage.

Most Security Council diplomats argue that without another resolution, existing measures do not provide a legal basis for a "regime change" -- Bush's euphemism for overthrowing Saddam whom he accuses of developing weapons of mass destruction.

Russia and China oppose military action. France, another veto-bearing council member, has called for a Security Council vote with President Jacques Chirac criticising attempts to legitimise the "unilateral and pre-emptive use of force."

And in Britain, whose position is closest to the United States, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said he would consider a report by a parliamentary committee to propose a U.N. deadline to readmit weapons inspectors.

The arms experts left Iraq in December 1998 on the eve of a U.S.-British bombing raid and have not been allowed to return.

Gabriele Kraatz-Wadsack, who led past biological weapons inspections, derided Iraq's efforts this week to disprove any development of chemical or biological weapons by showing facilities to journalists, saying reporters were not weapons experts.

Asked if Iraq had something to hide, she replied: "Apparently it seems (so) because also the new mandate for the new commission was passed by the Security Council in 1999 and they have not admitted the inspectors back."

BLAIR UNDER PRESSURE

A survey in London on Friday showed Britain's Blair faced stiff opposition from the grassroots of his own Labour Party if he backed a U.S.-led attack on Iraq.

The Times newspaper found 60 out of 100 Labour constituency leaders "expressed strong opposition" to a war against Saddam. Only five said they would support Blair if he decided to commit British troops to any military action.

In Amman, officials and diplomats said although Jordan might have deep misgivings about a U.S. attack on Iraq, the kingdom which sat on the fence in the 1991 Gulf War would have no choice but to join a U.S.-led campaign.

But Jordan, a pivotal U.S. ally in the Middle East, hoped any military action would be brief because of fears a prolonged war could go dangerously wrong and wreak havoc in a volatile region, they said.

The United States sent a conciliatory message to another key Arab ally, Saudi Arabia. Secretary of State Colin Powell said ties with Riyadh were strong.

But in remarks published in the London-based Ashraq al-Awsat Arabic-language newspaper, Powell cautioned: "There are more things that Saudi Arabia can do and we always explore cooperation aspects with the Saudi leadership."

Saudi Arabia, which played a pivotal role in the Gulf War, has said it will not allow U.S. forces to use its soil to launch an attack on Baghdad.


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To: Jack-A-Roe
Another mother-of-all-battles.

It's funny how Saddam's media was reporting right after the Gulf War that the superior Iraqi forces beat back the evil American invasion and declared Saddam the winner. The Iraqis have got to know that that is the biggest load of crap ever. If they still have respect for Saddam, they are the biggest bunch of idiots ever. Word around the campfire now says that the people are sick of Saddam and he's only in power because of his military and secret police that round up dissenters and shoot them.

41 posted on 08/30/2002 11:28:39 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Jack-A-Roe
"We owe it to our children, we owe it to our grandchildren to make sure that the world's worst leaders do not develop and deploy the world's worst weapons,"

Interesting use of "worst" in nearly opposed fashion. :)

42 posted on 08/30/2002 11:29:03 AM PDT by lepton
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To: Jack-A-Roe
Yeah the Talibunnies and al Qaeda goat humpers are braver and don't surrender even faster than the French do when the first shot is fired.

Iraq's targets are easier to get to by our Navy and Air Force planes than Afghanistan was.

Also, their same cracked up military leader in Desert Storm, Sad Sack Saddie Boy, will be in charge of the doomed Iraqis.

So Iraq is correct, they are not like the Talibunnies and al Qaeda goat humpers. Those guys fought hard before they died.

When we decide to take out Iraq, our Navy, AF, Marines and Army will be well armed and supplied unlike what was inherited after 8 years of the Clintoons. Afghanistan was the practice game in term of readiness. The Iraquis know that we will have more and better ways to kill thousands of them every hour when the next Islamakazi Cleansing Party is ordered by President Bush.
43 posted on 08/30/2002 11:31:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: B.Bumbleberry
But whatever the number was, a large fraction of it was from friendly fire.

And from a single SCUD deflected from its path into a barracks.

44 posted on 08/30/2002 11:34:41 AM PDT by lepton
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To: dighton
Your photo is great.

What nationality are these cracked jerks representing.

It looks like they have balsa strip fake bombs attached to them. One can only hope that those are real explosives to make our explosives used on them even more effective.
45 posted on 08/30/2002 11:36:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Islamakazi Cleansing Party is ordered by President Bush.

Which won't happen until Hussein gets a clear commitment from Ms. Amanpour as to availability for coverage.

Protocol and all...

46 posted on 08/30/2002 11:36:36 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Momaw Nadon
Check out the Attack on Iraq Betting Pool

My bet is there will be no date of attack. We will just gradually escalate the pulverization of their war machine, inch by inch, starting with their defense systems, moving on to their air force.

47 posted on 08/30/2002 11:36:52 AM PDT by js1138
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To: arkfreepdom
they would be the dominant world culture.

They are, though, you know.

48 posted on 08/30/2002 11:37:37 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: dighton; aculeus; general_re

"The 16th Infantry Division of the Iraqi army will be bombed tomorrow. Leave this location now and save yourselves."

Time to recycle those leaflets.

49 posted on 08/30/2002 11:37:40 AM PDT by Orual
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To: dighton
Strange that they give suicide bombers magazines for their guns. Although, considering the way they treat them, they probably don't trust the women with loaded guns.
50 posted on 08/30/2002 11:39:32 AM PDT by michigander
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Yeah if this thing actually goes to war maybe we can borrow one of those signs from a burger franchise that can show over 1 million Islamkazis fried as of today.

The Iraqis know better than any other group of Islamkazis what "You are either with or against us!" Or "Choose life or death, the choice is yours!" really means. The other Islamakazi countries will just have to wait their turn.
51 posted on 08/30/2002 11:39:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: michigander
Hmm! There is not a single clip any of the old AK 47's that these Iraqi women have.

Is there a reason why their guns don't have a clip and their Islamkazi male counterparts do have?
52 posted on 08/30/2002 11:42:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
What nationality are these cracked jerks representing?

They're Iraqis: Saddam's crack urban-warfare squad, or something of that nature.

53 posted on 08/30/2002 11:45:57 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Orual
Your great leaflet said, ""The 16th Infantry Division of the Iraqi army will be bombed tomorrow. Leave this location now and save yourselves."

A suggested revision might be:

All of Iraq will be bombed two days from now. If you want to live, we suggest you leave Iraq now! If this page had been a bomb, you wouldn't be reading this. You will not be celebrating 9/11 any more!

54 posted on 08/30/2002 11:46:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: dighton
Great! This makes me even feel better about it after seeing you picture.

We should send our gangs from LA, NYC and other areas over for some bounty hunting. Just put a $50,000 bounty on the head of each of these jokers. The Crypts and other gangs would clean them up in a few days. The Hell's Angels might want to join in for the hunting fun.
55 posted on 08/30/2002 11:50:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: B.Bumbleberry
Don't forget a bunch were killed by that freak scud hit on a hangar being used as a barracks. Also, there was a bunch of sailors killed by a steam pipe exploding on a ship. A lot of fratricide was committed by air assets against armored vehicles. In actual shooting battles there were probably less than 50 US soldiers actually killed by enemy fire.
56 posted on 08/30/2002 11:56:13 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: Jack-A-Roe
"We don't want to compare the two; Iraq is not Afghanistan," Ramadan told reporters in Beirut.

And if that Texan tries any rough stuff, you tell him I ain't no Taliban leader! Yeah, I heard that story....

Thank you for the dinner and a very pleasant evening. If your car could take me to the airport; Mr. Bush is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately.

57 posted on 08/30/2002 11:59:11 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Jack-A-Roe
Russia and China oppose military action. France, another veto-bearing council member, has called for a Security Council vote with President Jacques Chirac criticising attempts to legitimise the "unilateral and pre-emptive use of force."

And in Britain, whose position is closest to the United States, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said he would consider a report by a parliamentary committee to propose a U.N. deadline to readmit weapons inspectors.

What a disaster it would be to get the U.N. involved. This is the same U.N., recall, led by the same European powers, who "condemned" ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, lectured Milosevic impotently, stood by and did nothing while U.N. encampments were shelled, quaked when U.N. hostages were taken and displayed tauntingly on T.V., quarelled with one another as whose side they should take, and then, after all that, decided the best course would be simply to surrender and withdraw their forces.

Not that Clinton's politically motivated intervention was much better, leaving as it did the fruits of "ethnic cleansing" in place. But what does it say about the Europeans when Clinton seems like Churchill in comparison to them?

But we should opt for more lecturing and a hapless inspectorate in the face of a much more dangerous enemy, Huessein, within easy reach of a large fraction of the world's oil supply?

58 posted on 08/30/2002 12:16:43 PM PDT by Timm
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To: Grampa Dave
Actually, the leaflets should say:

Kulu qa'idatikum namlikuha

I leave the translation as an exercise for the reader.

59 posted on 08/30/2002 12:25:51 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: dvwjr
How did the French manage to have two killed?

Were they too slow in laying their weapons down in surrender?

60 posted on 08/30/2002 12:29:52 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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