Yeah - I know I'm generalizing - I don't need to be reminded.
Some of us see it, trust me.
I'm going to remind you anyway.
Two things.
When it comes to "wiping out Christianity", it's possible that the greater peril come from within ... be it heretics who begin their own sects or faithless Catholics who -- in word or deed -- betray the tenets of their faith or the love of Christ to which, by all rights, they are to witness.
The Catholic Church cannot simply demonize Islam ... in much the same way Islam or Protestants were quick to demonize and attack the Church. Instead, in her heart is always the hope of union in this life, in advance of the inevitable solidarity -- in peace and love -- of the human family.
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839. "'Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.'[LG 16.] 840. "And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. " 841. "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.'[LG 16; cf. NA 3.]" 842. "The Church's bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race: 843. "The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as 'a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.'[LG 16; cf. NA 2; EN 53.]" 844. "In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: 845. "To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is 'the world reconciled.' She is that bark which 'in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.' According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.[St. Augustine, Serm. 96, 7, 9: PL 38, 588; St. Ambrose, De virg. 18, 118: PL 16, 297B; cf. already .]" To view the context, please visithttp://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/church3.html#CATHOLIC |
I do hope that you are making a distinction between the official Vatican position and Catholics like me.
I have been ouspoken since Sept. of 2001.
It really only requires casual knowledge of history from the 7th to the 16th centuries.
I am Catholic, and my feelings about Islam cannot be discussed in polite company. Let's just say it involves turning Mecca into a radioactive slag heap.
Regards, Ivan
Yeah - I know I'm generalizing - I don't need to be reminded.
This eclipses mere generalization and enters the realm of nonsense.
I don't know which Catholic FReepers you observed, but I haven't observed any who are ignorant of Islam's implementation of its beliefs. For the record, this Catholic is quite aware of what the Muslims are up to.
As an aside, I even know non-FR Catholics who are well aware of reality. I attended a lecture by a Catholic priest who stated, in no uncertain terms, that we are in a spiritual war against Islam whether or not the politicians are willing to admit it.
Oh, I don't know Senator Pardek. Maybe it's because those sweet wrinkled old nuns taught us to read. We read too much and it causes us to think. And thinking is a thing a human being should not do......
.....Explaining American policy regarding Kosovo, Senator Lieberman said: "Both America and KLA do fight for the same principles - democracy - the struggle of the KLA is therefore also the struggle for human rights"....
New York Post, June 19, 1999
By Uri Dan
BELGRADE - Three days after NATO troops refused a mother superior's pleas for protection, Kosovar rebels looted her monastery and raped a young nun, officials said yesterday.
French commandos and members of the French Foreign Legion arrived as the Kosovar Liberation Army guerrillas were leaving the isolated mountain religious community in Devic, about 30 miles northwest of the Kosovo capital of Pristina.
The Post reported Monday how Mother Makariadrove to Pristina on Sunday to plead with arriving British troops for protection for herself, a priest and nine nuns at Devic.
"Please come and save us. You have the guns, all I have is a cross," she told an Irish Guard lieutenant. But she was told that no protection was possible until NATO reinforcements arrived.
Three days later the unguarded medieval monastery was raided by KLA members, French officers confirmed yesterday.
The French gave few details but a spokesman for Serb Orthodox Patriarch Pavle said the guerrillas showed no mercy.
"They desecrated the church, including the altar and icons, and humiliated the nuns," Deacon Luka Novakovic told The Post.
He said a 24-year-old nun was taken to a back room and raped.
The rebels looted the building of anything valuable and fired guns into the air as they left, just as the French arrived Thursday.
"When they saw us, they stopped a while, shouted 'NATO, NATO,' and then beat a hasty retreat," the officer said.
Among the evidence of the attack were the initials "UCK" - which stands for KLA - scratched into a pane of glass over an icon.
"The monastery had been stripped bare," a French officer told CNN. He added that the priest had been beaten...."
September 27, 1999
US Complicity in Timor
While the Indonesian military's thugs continue their rampage in East Timor, most foreign reporters have fled the country. As of September 7, frequent Nation contributor and award-winning journalist Allan Nairn was believed to be the only US reporter still there. Nairn left the besieged UN compound and walked the streets of Dili, where he hid in abandoned houses as he observed troops and militia burning and looting. Nairn has been writing about the troubles there for years. In 1991, after being badly beaten by Indonesian troops while witnessing the massacre of several hundred East Timorese, he was declared a "threat to national security" and banned from the country. He has entered several times illegally since then.....
--The Editors
Dili, East Timor
It is by now clear to most East Timorese and a few Westerners still left here that the militias are a wing of the TNI/ABRI, the Indonesian armed forces. Recently, for example, I was picked up by militiamen who turned out to be working for a uniformed colonel of the National Police. [Editors' note: The Indonesian government has denied any connection between the militias and either the police or the military.] But there is another important political fact that is not known here or in the international community. Although the US government has publicly reprimanded the Indonesian Army for the militias, the US military has, behind the scenes and contrary to Congressional intent, been backing the TNI.
US officials say that this past April, as militia terror escalated, a top US officer was dispatched to give a message to Jakarta. Adm. Dennis Blair, the US Commander in Chief of the Pacific, leader of all US military forces in the Pacific region, was sent to meet with General Wiranto, the Indonesian armed forces commander, on April 8. Blair's mission, as one senior US official told me, was to tell Wiranto that the time had come to shut the militia operation down. The gravity of the meeting was heightened by the fact that two days before, the militias had committed a horrific machete massacre at the Catholic church in Liquica, Timor. YAYASAN HAK, a Timorese human rights group, estimated that many dozens of civilians were murdered. Some of the victims' flesh was reportedly stuck to the walls of the church and a pastor's house. But Admiral Blair, fully briefed on Liquica, quickly made clear at the meeting with Wiranto that he was there to reassure the TNI chief. According to a classified cable on the meeting, circulating at Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii, Blair, rather than telling Wiranto to shut the militias down, instead offered him a series of promises of new US assistance.
According to the cable, which was drafted by Col. Joseph Daves, US military attache; in Jakarta, Admiral Blair "told the armed forces chief that he looks forward to the time when [the army will] resume its proper role as a leader in the region. He invited General Wiranto to come to Hawaii as his guest in conjunction with the next round of bilateral defense discussions in the July-August '99 time frame. He said Pacific command is prepared to support a subject matter expert exchange for doctrinal development. He expects that approval will be granted to send a small team to provide technical assistance to police and...selected TNI personnel on crowd control measures."
Admiral Blair at no point told Wiranto to stop the militia operation, going the other way by inviting him to be his personal guest in Hawaii. Blair told Wiranto that the United States would initiate this new riot-control training for the Indonesian armed forces. This was quite significant, because it would be the first new US training program for the Indonesian military since 1992. Although State Department officials had been assured in writing that only police and no soldiers would be part of this training, Blair told Wiranto that, yes, soldiers could be included. So although Blair was sent in with the mission of telling Wiranto to shut the militias down, he did the opposite.
Indonesian officers I spoke to said Wiranto was delighted by the meeting. They took this as a green light to proceed with the militia operation......"
(I don't think this is a Protestant/Catholic thing. It's more of a thinking thing. Or the earnest search for the Civilizations that are really clashing in this round of the Clash of Civilizations.
patent
What the hell are you talking about? You won't find a bigger islamophobe than myself. My brother, a Fransiscan Priest, has been telling everyone about islam's goal of killing off Christianity for the last ten years. His fellow clergimen are in agreement on this.
The only ugliness here is your lame sport at Catholic bashing.