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Where There Are Guns, There Are Suicides: Study
Reuters Health via Yahoo ^ | 8-27-02 | Alison McCook

Posted on 08/27/2002 8:09:25 AM PDT by Pharmboy

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Suicide rates tend to be higher in US regions where a higher percentage of households have guns, researchers report.

More people kill themselves using guns than by all other suicide methods combined, according to Dr. Matthew Miller and his colleagues at Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts.

While this study does not show that owning a gun increases the likelihood that household members will try to kill themselves, the authors note, the findings do suggest that a relationship between the two factors exists.

"Although our study is unable to determine causation, our results are consistent with the notion that instrumentality as well as intent affects the rate of suicide," they write.

Each year, an estimated 30,000 people commit suicide in the US--nearly twice the annual number of murders. More than half of suicides involve firearms, according to Miller's team.

The results of their study are based on data gathered between 1988 and 1997 from all 50 states in the US. The data included how many homes have guns, and the rate of suicides using guns or other methods among men and women of different age groups.

Reporting in the September issue of the journal Epidemiology, Miller and his colleagues found that in all 50 states and nine US regions, suicide rates were highest where a higher percentage of households owned guns. Specifically, residents of the six states with the highest rate of gun ownership were almost four times as likely to kill themselves using a gun as residents of the four states with the lowest rate of household gun ownership.

This relationship existed regardless of the gender and age of the people who committed suicide.

In an interview with Reuters Health, Miller summarized the findings in one point: "Where there are more guns, more people are taking their own lives."

Miller added that owning a gun may, in fact, increase the rate of successful suicide attempts because guns are far more lethal than most other suicide methods. He explained that many attempts at suicide are impulsive, in which people consider the act for only minutes before trying to carry it out. While members of households without guns may attempt suicide as often as gun owners, the latter may be more successful in carrying it out.

"The accumulating weight of evidence indicates that some people are likely put at greater risk of suicide because a gun is around," Miller said.

He noted that one of the highest rates of suicide using firearms occurred among children between 5 and 14 years old. In order to protect children and others at risk, the researcher said that general suicide-prevention strategies should be coupled with specific interventions related to firearms.

For example, Miller suggested that guns be designed to permit only the authorized owner to fire them. Health professionals can also step in, he added, educating patients about the risk of suicide associated with keeping a gun around the house, especially one that is loaded or unlocked.

SOURCE: Epidemiology 2002;13:517-524.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; secondamendment; suicide
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So, how come the Japanese have TWICE the suicide rate we do? They have some of the strictest gun-control laws on the planet.
1 posted on 08/27/2002 8:09:25 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
To paraphrase Archie Bunker, "Would ya prefer, little goil, if they jumped outta winduhs?"

Take it from one who knows, suicide attempts are not caused by guns. They just allow you to make it more certain, and more private.

2 posted on 08/27/2002 8:12:08 AM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
They just allow you to make it more certain, and more private.

Which brings up the real question, doesn't it? Are there more suicide attempts in these areas, too? Or just more successful suicides?

3 posted on 08/27/2002 8:17:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Pharmboy
The statement "Where there are more guns, more people are taking their own lives." is missing two words.

"Where there are more guns, more people are taking their own lives... under control."

4 posted on 08/27/2002 8:17:34 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Pharmboy
One could also mention the Swedes who have high suicide rates.
5 posted on 08/27/2002 8:19:10 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Pharmboy
"Although our study is unable to determine causation, our results are consistent with the notion that instrumentality as well as intent affects the rate of suicide," they write.

Another good argument for gun ownership. Thin the herd.

6 posted on 08/27/2002 8:20:47 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Pharmboy
"Where there are guns, there is suicide"

Oh? You mean people didn't kill themselves before there were guns?

7 posted on 08/27/2002 8:21:04 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Specifically, residents of the six states with the highest rate of gun ownership were almost four times as likely to kill themselves using a gun as residents of the four states with the lowest rate of household gun ownership.

This is NUTS. They don't say "more likely to kill themselves", they say "more likely to kill themselves with a gun."

DUH!!!

Where there are guns, people are more likely to use them than where there aren't guns.

This is actual scientific research!!!!

8 posted on 08/27/2002 8:21:55 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Pharmboy
In an interview with Reuters Health, Miller summarized the findings in one point: "Where there are more guns, more people are taking their own lives."

Where there are more gun laws, more people are taking other people's lives.

9 posted on 08/27/2002 8:24:17 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Onelifetogive
I noticed that too. Kinda like saying people drown more often where there is water.
10 posted on 08/27/2002 8:24:28 AM PDT by mushroom
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To: Onelifetogive
This is actual scientific research!!!!

"Although our study is unable to determine causation,...

Global Warming is pushing them over the edge.

11 posted on 08/27/2002 8:26:33 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Pharmboy
I wonder if the same study would show that suicide rates tend to be higher in regions where there are tall buildings. I'm no expert, but I'd be willing to bet that suicide rates are higher in metropolitan areas where skyscrapers are present than in rural areas. Just another aboslutely meaningless study that the left will use to further their agenda.
12 posted on 08/27/2002 8:27:32 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: *bang_list

13 posted on 08/27/2002 8:28:09 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: sheltonmac
While this study does not show that owning a gun increases the likelihood that household members will try to kill themselves, the authors note, the findings do suggest that a relationship between the two factors exists.

While trailer parks can't be shown to cause tornados... the findings do suggest that a relationship between the two factors exists.

14 posted on 08/27/2002 8:31:31 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
Hell, I'm feeling like a "scientist" today.
Where can I get me one of those grants?
15 posted on 08/27/2002 8:32:45 AM PDT by dtel
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To: Pharmboy; Vic3O3
"He noted that one of the highest rates of suicide using firearms occurred among children between 5 and 14 years old."

I personally do not think it is possible for a 5 year old to committ suicide. Suicide requires more mental capacity than a five year old is capable of. It is possible however for a five year old to discharge a firearms. If the bullet kills the five year old it is not suicide, it is a NEGLIGENT discharge.

I tend to discount articles containing factual errors. If the author of the study allows factual errors to be present then the rest of their study remains suspect.

Semper Fi

16 posted on 08/27/2002 8:36:24 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: Pharmboy
Why wake the neighbors; use sleeping pills.
17 posted on 08/27/2002 8:37:02 AM PDT by Consort
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
To paraphrase Archie Bunker, "Would ya prefer, little goil, if they jumped outta winduhs?"

That is the first thing I thought of when I read this. I love that quote.

18 posted on 08/27/2002 8:38:06 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Pharmboy
this study does not show that owning a gun increases the likelihood that household members will try to kill themselves, the authors note

our study is unable to determine causation

our results are consistent with the notion

While members of households without guns may attempt suicide as often as gun owners

accumulating weight of evidence indicates that some people are likely put at greater risk

Miller suggested that guns be designed to permit only the authorized owner to fire them.( and this will prevent them from committing suicide, How?)

Baaaah! Might as well have been written by Sarah Brady herself.

19 posted on 08/27/2002 8:39:05 AM PDT by tet68
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To: Pharmboy
I have serious questions about the validity of this study!

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20 posted on 08/27/2002 8:40:34 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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