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Augusta kids killed (Another Homeschool Killing)
Helena Independent Record ^ | 8/27/2002 | CAROLYNN BRIGHT

Posted on 08/27/2002 5:47:49 AM PDT by CholeraJoe

Augusta kids killed
By CAROLYNN BRIGHT, IR Staff Writer - 08/27/02

Swanson faces 2 counts of murder.
A 46-year-old Augusta mother allegedly shot and killed two of her four children as they slept in their beds at the family ranch about 15 miles southwest of Augusta early Monday.
Jeanette Swanson faces two counts of deliberate homicide in connection with the shootings and is being held in the Lewis and Clark County Jail without bond.
Swanson was placed on suicide watch at the jail Monday afternoon while the bodies of her children — a 10-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy — were brought to the State Crime Lab in Missoula, where an autopsy will be conducted, said Undersheriff Cheryl Liedle.
According to Liedle, emergency responders flocked to the Swanson Ranch just before 6 a.m. after Swanson called 911, reporting that she had shot her two children.
Swanson’s other two children — boys, ages 16 and 20 — were in the house at the time of the killing, but were unharmed in the incident.
Swanson’s husband, Gene, was sleeping in a camp trailer outside the residence when the shootings occurred, Liedle said.
According to reports, Swanson was waiting at the door of the residence when emergency crews arrived.
Her children were located in their beds inside — both were dead at the scene, Liedle said.
Liedle said a firearm believed to have been used in the shootings was recovered at the family home, but officials will await the results of the autopsies to determine whether it was, in fact, the murder weapon.
Court documents indicate that Swanson’s 20-year-old son reported to authorities that his mother had a .38 Smith and Wesson gun in her possession when she placed the 911 call, but Liedle would not confirm whether that was the same make of gun seized at the scene.
Lewis and Clark County Sheriff Sam McCormack said Monday morning that a motive for the killings was sketchy.
However, he said that Swanson and her husband had argued last week about Swanson’s decision to enroll the two children in school in Augusta — Gene Swanson wanted his wife to continue to home school the kids on the ranch while she wanted them to attend public school.
The children attended their first classes at school in Augusta last week.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: homeschool; homeschoollist; montana; murder
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To: ppaul
I believe we are in the 21st century, things change.
341 posted on 08/27/2002 10:49:45 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Tired of Taxes
Sadly, these crimes happen very often. But, when the parents of public school students murder their children, we never hear: "A public schooler murdered her children."

Exactly.

Correlation and causation are not the same thing. But what the hell, any stick to beat the competitors to the government children's penitentiaries will do.

342 posted on 08/27/2002 10:51:55 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Sangamon Kid; CholeraJoe
I have to admit I have been pretty much just watching this debate understanding basically where both sides are coming from. But I have to say, GED mothers can do just as good as public school teachers if not better in some cases. And I raised my eyebrow at the remark;

"When mothers with a GED insist on home schooling their kids I get pretty worked up."

Let me explain, First the GED is a standard set by public school curriculums. I home school. My daughter wants to join the armed forces when she is finished with her home schooling. Now here is where the flaws in that statement come out, in order for my daughter to join the service she may have to take the GED in order to be accepted. This in no way means she is less intelligent. So what happens when she wants to home school her children? (assuming she does not attend college) this means she will be home schooling mother with a G.E.D.

~Also many people who I know have taken this very same test are no less intelligent or any less equipped to teach children that public school teachers. Heck, some public school teachers aren't even certified. And some of the certified public school teachers are incompetent compared to GED home schooling mothers/fathers. And yes some Home schooling parents with real high school diplomas may be less prepared than some uncertified teachers.

My point is this, judging someone's ability to home school based on a GED, high school diploma, or because they don't have some formal training that someone else thinks is a requirement is wrong. Most home school parents, regardless of how they completed school have not been formally trained in educational techniques. This does not make them less capable. Home schooled children, with their testing scores (I think) prove this.

Joe, I agree that high school drop outs that never continued or finished their schooling shouldn't teach. But A GED is not something that should bar someone from teaching their own children. Isn't passing the G.E.D. proof that you have passed the basic requirements of public school 1st thru 12th grade?

343 posted on 08/27/2002 10:52:08 AM PDT by KineticKitty
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To: xsmommy
Here's another case where homeschooling went bad:

http://msnbc.com/local/WEWS/A1300975.asp?0bl=-0

In this case the family decided to pull their kids out of school to homeschool them. When one of the girls was 15, she was forced to be inseminated with her stepfather's sperm to produce a child for her mother and stepfather. She was isolated from the world.

"The girl testified at her mother's trial that her stepfather had threatened her with a gun if she didn't agree to have his child.
She testified again Monday about years of alleged physical and emotional abuse at the hands of her stepfather.
She said that she was pulled out of school in the fifth grade to be home-schooled, but that she wasn't taught much at home."

If the people doing the homeschooling are bad (and there are lots of bad people out there), then it's going to be a bad experience.

I'm not anti-homeschooling. Our kids were homeschooled for several years. They insisted on going to school and they are enjoying school also. We are friends with the teachers, who are great. Homeschooling vs. formal schooling is not a good/evil choice. You can find both good and bad on both sides.
344 posted on 08/27/2002 10:53:16 AM PDT by LPStar
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To: Tired of Taxes
"I knew from the moment I heard that Andrea Yates homeschooled that the press would make it an issue."

I know, I remember when I first heard she had home schooled, I shook my head and thought "here we go..."

345 posted on 08/27/2002 10:54:58 AM PDT by KineticKitty
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To: hobbes1
To a point.

And finding that point will be tougher than finding a needle in 100 haystacks. The lines that divide parental authority and government authority are fought over like a skirmish line between armies of equal strength.

346 posted on 08/27/2002 10:54:58 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: Intimidator
What school district is this in?

In Massachusetts the average is around $60k. The whole thing is a scam.

347 posted on 08/27/2002 10:55:10 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: CholeraJoe
It won't be long and there will be as many homeschool related deaths as there are D&D related deaths. I do both D&D and homeschooling so my kids are probably doomed to 1/1000000 chances of death per decade.
348 posted on 08/27/2002 10:57:30 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: CholeraJoe
Okay, so this is the second set of kids that I'm aware of who were home-schooled that were killed by their mom. How many that are NOT home-schooled were killed by their moms? A lot more, I'm sure.
349 posted on 08/27/2002 10:58:14 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Sangamon Kid
This one is easy, the line is where the childs education is deficient, when measured above a certain % of his peers...
350 posted on 08/27/2002 10:59:25 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: KineticKitty; Sangamon Kid; CholeraJoe
CORRECTION;

"~Also many people who I know have taken this very same test are no less intelligent or any less equipped to teach children that public school teachers"

I meant to say; "any less equipped to teach children than some public school teachers"

351 posted on 08/27/2002 11:01:14 AM PDT by KineticKitty
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To: hobbes1
**This one is easy, the line is where the childs education is deficient, when measured above a certain % of his peers...**

Cool. My daughter tested at the 97% for math. Reading and grammar was 82%...national standards. :o)

352 posted on 08/27/2002 11:02:27 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: hobbes1
This one is easy, the line is where the childs education is deficient, when measured above a certain % of his peers...

Guess again friend. Who's doing the measuring and by what standard are they measuring. Maybe we should use a standardized test put together by homeschoolers, that requires all public school kids to be homeschooled if they fail to meet minimum standards.

353 posted on 08/27/2002 11:03:37 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: COBOL2Java
The "Another Homeschool mom murders her children" section of that header what added by the person who posted the article here at FR...
354 posted on 08/27/2002 11:06:33 AM PDT by MissMillie
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To: CholeraJoe
"Just like Andrea Yates"

So in other words, she was mentally ill and couldn't handle it. So, lets either put her on death row, or sterlize her and put her in a mental institution for the rest of her life.

355 posted on 08/27/2002 11:07:39 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: MissMillie; CholeraJoe
***Augusta kids killed

By CAROLYNN BRIGHT, IR Staff Writer - 08/27/02 ***

Very good point, MissMillie. The actual article title is as read above. Cholera Joe chose to make a derogatory point about homeschooling.

356 posted on 08/27/2002 11:08:35 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: CholeraJoe
"I so amazed that it took 136 posts to bring forth an ad hominem attack."

Do you always have this kind of tough luck fishing for trout as well?
357 posted on 08/27/2002 11:08:38 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: CholeraJoe
so homeschooling was the factor, eh...

you, honey, are dumber than nine chickens.

358 posted on 08/27/2002 11:09:20 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: MEGoody
How many that are NOT home-schooled were killed by their moms? A lot more, I'm sure.

How many that attended public or private schools were killed by their teachers?

359 posted on 08/27/2002 11:10:35 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: COBOL2Java
The root cause of all this insanity! Let's send our kids to public schools, where at least they'll be safe from shootings... < \sarcasm off >

Yep your right, reeeeeeaalllly safe, how about a public school like say " Columbine?">sarcasm/<

360 posted on 08/27/2002 11:10:45 AM PDT by DreamWeaver
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