Posted on 08/25/2002 9:10:35 PM PDT by Pokey78
The U.S. was at one time in dire straights environmentally. We turned that around along time ago beginning with the Great lakes cleanup and it has continued to this day. Sure, we neglect something here or there, but put it right as soon as the problem comes to light.
Some, not all, of the environmentalist people do a yeomans job of monitoring situations and keeping us informed. What hurts the cause more than anything is the wacko who really is not a true environmentalist, but a ego driven wierdo who hates technology and and kind of progress. They want to bring us back to the dark ages and will kill to do it.
These folks have multiple agendas with most of them having nothing to do with the environment. Save the deer, save the spotted owl, save the sucker fish save the gnarly toad licker!!!!!On and on it goes and they are so in your face it makes you want to do 10-20 just to get rid of them!!!!
I hope you are not one of those, are you?
If we are going to play the blame game, lets put the blame where it belongs, squarley on their corrupt totalatarian governments,
What, by giving them jobs and billions of dollars more in aid than any other country. Tell these ingrates to take a hike. The U.S. is Great!
As far as that goes, if I recall when the Israelis took over there the place was a worthless desert. Now it's a quite beautiful I understand, and they have a modern lifestyle too. Seems to me that they aren't trashing things there and managing to balance the two.
Please provide factual basis for this claim.
Our way of keeping a brother down. This is really the agenda in your entire post isn't it? Keep up the race war. As another poster so rightly points out, the environmentalist movement is really the modern vehicle for the Stalinist movement. The communist trash are real good at setting races against one another for their own advancement. Ultimately, they don't care about you, your brothers, the environment, snail darters, or some third world nation. Labor on comrade.
The Kyoto Treaty is a fraud, nine ways from Sunday. Only leftists and enviro-nazis take it seriously. Of course, such types will constitute a solid majority at Johannesburg.
Congressman Billybob
Ok Ok, so only a chump or moron Or Christian would deny this!
The Lord God Almighty, Creator of Heaven AND Earth says that "you (mankind) cannot move the foundations of the earth."
It is some men's arrogance that believes we that we can destroy the earth.
The Ozone hole reduced as the solar storms abated, the warming and cooling of the earth will continue in cycles, (even eviro-weenies are not predicting the kinds of temperatures the earth had during the dinosaurs).
I liked one climatologists comments about this: "The earth has been warming since the last ice age and will continue to warm until it begins moving into another ice age".
As to extinction - most scientist say that 90% of the species were extinct before man showed up on the planet.
When I hear the ridiculous statement from the 'weenies' "let it go back to it natural state" I get crazy. Natural state at what period in time?! and natural for what?! We were given the instructions to "Tend", that means work it, plant it, weed it, prune it, water it, fertilize it, in short make the garden conform to our needs. The wackos are the ones that would shrug off their God given responsibilities.
To blame the USA is absurd!, we feed more of the world's population than any other nation on earth. Nearly all of Africa has a 12 month growing cycle- yet they continually mis-manage and endure famines, they do not control their water resources- so have difficultly during droughts- Muslims are notorious for neglecting to turn nutrients back into the soil, and their lack of 'gardening' means a continually expanding desert. When they had control of Israel, they took a land that was filled with olive trees and fruit and turned it into desert. During the 1950's the Newpaper headlines were of the new Israeli state's work in Gaza and the 'blooming of the desert'.
The enviro's should spend more time with the under-developed nations teaching them how to plan ahead; like dig wells and reserviors, of how to turn debrie back into the earth, so the earth can be more fertile.
Sorry, go off the point,
1. The earth gets hotter
2. The earth gets cooler
3. These cycles will continue until God says, "Stop".
Compare the prosperity of Singapore, which has a dense population and almost zero natural resources, to even South Africa, which has low density population and huge natural resources. Which one is healthy, wealthy and productive? Which one is slipping day by day closer to barbarism?
Most nations in Africa have delibrately chosen, since independence, the wrong kinds of government and the wrong kinds of economic markets. Those bad choices have led directly to the results which you decry. This is not a white-black thing. The USSR collapsed because of exactly the same bad decisions. Other than China, Africa is the promary place in the world where Marxism still survives -- and unlike China, Africa's idea of dictatorship is steal everything that isn't nailed down, and kill everyone who disagrees with you. Even China, which is no model of either peace or prosperity, has realized that such policies are fatal to a nation.
No one except Africans can save Africans from the stupidity of their current governmental decisions.
Congressman Billybob
Disease, politics and war have ravished the third world, but runaway overpopulation threatens many countries.
Our food donations have saved millions from starvation.
How to reduce the population?
When I was a kid I had an ant farm.
When I stopped feeding them, they died.
I deny we are killing the planet.
And my opinion is worth at least as much as yours.
Have you read Lomborg's book?
Have you heard of the dozens of artiles criticizing in detail the assumptions in existing climate models and their present inability to "predict" recent past climate?
psssst! that's the basis on which all these predictions of doom and gloom are based.
Do you know the definition of "science"?
Third or fourth grade stuff, if I remember correctly.
It looks like some fellow FReepers have already ripped your little diatribe to shreds, so I'm not even going to get started.
I had a blast watching a segment on "Real TV" a few nights ago where the greenpeace idiots were getting blown off of their little dingys with water from firehoses being used by Russian crewmen on a cargo ship. Just my little dig, OK? Have a nice day.
"Such a move would regain for the US the moral highground.......But if the the US is willing to commit the resources to ensure development, it could emerge as a savior."
A lot of conservatives and many, many freepers will loudly complain should Bush follow Lomborg's advice on this. Although it would be cheaper than Kyoto, this "committing the resources" will be a sizable increase in foreign aid.
Recall the increase in foreign aid that came about when Bush made his UN speech in Monterrey, Mexico that was used to slap down the the notion of a UN tax. There were many BushBash threads here regarding that increase in foreign aid.
Also recall that Bush followed the advice of NASA scientist Hansen on taking the moral high ground in regard US emissions of pollutants. Although this path left CO2 as voluntary, it set strict limits on CO, methane, CFC, soot particles, NOx, VOCs, etc. Many were displeased with this.
It is a no-win situation for Bush. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
Yes, the earth is fine. It was here before you, and it will survive even you.
I have no idea what "most people that left feedback" means. If you are going to bother typing your thoughts to an American-based forum, you might consider learning English.
Oh, and ignorance does not "take place." Yours, in fact, metastasizes.
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