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To: Dog Gone
Just to lay out a minor dissent with the trend here:

Thirty or so years ago this 'mass arrest' would have led to about two hundred parents yanking driver's licenses and or priveledges from half the kids arrested.

The over eighteen crowd would have a very minor hit on their records and a lesson to remember.

Any who had records already (like drug sales...) would have few to defend them.

What's really changed is that even conservatives have ceased looking at law enforcement as applying to everyone and very, very, few parents believe that their kids deserve being tought a lesson of any kind; until it is too late.

11 posted on 08/25/2002 8:25:19 AM PDT by norton
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To: norton
While I agree with the general sentiments of your remarks, I think everyone should prefer that people be arrested for actual crimes, and not merely for being in the right place at the wrong time and on phony charges.

That's the kind of stuff we think is more typical in totalitarian third world countries.

12 posted on 08/25/2002 8:41:31 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: norton
I'm with you. If there are laws against loitering and drag racing and 200 plus people were in a parking lot doing exactly that and got arrested...what's the beef? Had that been in my neighborhood I would probably have been calling the cops myself. Am I missing something here?
13 posted on 08/25/2002 8:44:06 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: norton
Thirty or so years ago this 'mass arrest' would have led to about two hundred parents yanking driver's licenses and or priveledges from half the kids arrested.

So in order to be a "good" parent you must side with LEOs against your own flesh and blood even when your own flesh and blood is in the right? Pretty twisted POV.

The over eighteen crowd would have a very minor hit on their records and a lesson to remember.

What lesson? There is no right to peaceably assemble?

Any who had records already (like drug sales...) would have few to defend them.

Irrelevant. This was an indiscriminate mass arrest.

What's really changed is that even conservatives have ceased looking at law enforcement as applying to everyone and very, very, few parents believe that their kids deserve being tought a lesson of any kind.

Learning to properly bow and scrape to a badge and uniform is now a "lesson" worthy of real Americans???

18 posted on 08/25/2002 8:58:48 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: norton; All
The over eighteen crowd would have a very minor hit on their records and a lesson to remember.

What lesson would I have "to remember" if I were arrested for stopping at K-Mart to buy something?

What's really changed is that even conservatives have ceased looking at law enforcement as applying to everyone and very, very, few parents believe that their kids deserve being tought a lesson of any kind; until it is too late.

How have I quit looking at law enforcement as applying "to everyone" when I think that I should be able to go to a department store and buy something without being arrested?

The lesson is that our society seems every day to lose more of its ability to distinguish right from wrong, harmless from harmful, and healthy from unhealthy. The lesson is that some conservatives in their zeal to punish those who may or may not be doing anything wrong are just as guilty of refusal to make these distinctions as those liberals who oppose punishment or even criticism of any wrongdoing. The lesson is that these "conservatives" often fail to take the time to understand a situation before endorsing this failure to distinguish between good and bad.

This situation is scary. I lived in that part of Houston for most of the past three years, and the only thing that could have kept me from being arrested in that raid is that I still don't shop at K-Mart because they had hired Rosie O'Donnell. What's even scarier is that some "conservatives" endorse this evil.

WFTR
Bill

36 posted on 08/25/2002 10:13:14 AM PDT by WFTR
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To: norton; All
The over eighteen crowd would have a very minor hit on their records and a lesson to remember.

What lesson would I have "to remember" if I were arrested for stopping at K-Mart to buy something?

What's really changed is that even conservatives have ceased looking at law enforcement as applying to everyone and very, very, few parents believe that their kids deserve being tought a lesson of any kind; until it is too late.

How have I quit looking at law enforcement as applying "to everyone" when I think that I should be able to go to a department store and buy something without being arrested?

The lesson is that our society seems every day to lose more of its ability to distinguish right from wrong, harmless from harmful, and healthy from unhealthy. The lesson is that some conservatives in their zeal to punish those who may or may not be doing anything wrong are just as guilty of refusal to make these distinctions as those liberals who oppose punishment or even criticism of any wrongdoing. The lesson is that these "conservatives" often fail to take the time to understand a situation before endorsing this failure to distinguish between good and bad.

This situation is scary. I lived in that part of Houston for most of the past three years, and the only thing that could have kept me from being arrested in that raid is that I still don't shop at K-Mart because they had hired Rosie O'Donnell. What's even scarier is that some "conservatives" endorse this evil.

WFTR
Bill

39 posted on 08/25/2002 10:16:09 AM PDT by WFTR
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To: norton
"Thirty or so years ago this 'mass arrest' would have led to about two hundred parents yanking driver's licenses and or priveledges from half the kids arrested"

30 or so years ago, this would not have happened.

95 posted on 08/25/2002 2:32:48 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: norton
conservatives have ceased looking at law enforcement as applying to everyone

Norton believes that law enforcement applies to everyone.

The rest of us believe that law enforcement applies to people who are caught breaking the law.

120 posted on 08/25/2002 4:01:12 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: norton
Thirty or so years ago this 'mass arrest' would have led to about two hundred parents yanking driver's licenses and or priveledges from half the kids arrested.

Amen! Not only that, but this would have also resulted in a ton of red-hot backsides.

191 posted on 08/25/2002 10:02:14 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: norton
Thirty or so years ago this 'mass arrest' would have led to about two hundred parents yanking driver's licenses and or priveledges from half the kids arrested.

Well maybe. Also, maybe things changed a hell of lot in 20 years (I don't envy your growing up in the 60's or 70's) but I know when I was I was growing up the cops left me off so many times and sent me on my way (or maybe with an "un"serious citation) that I couldn't begin to count them!

That's when, IMHO, they really believed in "to protect and serve".

I could tell you some pretty funny stories for several hours, and I wouldn't trade growing up in MY America for anything.

209 posted on 08/26/2002 2:37:38 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: norton
"Thirty or so years ago this 'mass arrest' would have led to about two hundred parents yanking driver's licenses and or priveledges from half the kids arrested."

Only 42 were kids, the rest were adults, many simply shopping at K-mart or eating at Sonic. If the police had arrested only law breakers this would not be an issue.

240 posted on 08/28/2002 4:01:15 PM PDT by monday
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