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More we know about Kmart raid, the worse it gets
Houston Chronicle ^ | August 25, 2002 | Editorial Board

Posted on 08/25/2002 7:21:18 AM PDT by Dog Gone

Edited on 08/25/2002 7:46:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A contingent of op-ed and letter writers to the Chronicle has taken the position that arresting 278 young people during a raid on a shopping center and restaurant parking lot last weekend was entirely justified because of the annoying late-night loitering and drag racing that had become typical at that spot. But the problem with the raid is not that police officers tried to arrest lawbreakers in and around the 24- hour Kmart Super Center parking in the 8400 block of Westheimer. It is with the contemptuous attitude police showed toward the citizenry by not bothering to sort out the good from the bad.

The people who so enthusiastically applaud law enforcement for shoddy police work more than likely would be singing a different tune if they or one of their children had been unjustly swept up in the botched raid and they found themselves spending all of a weekend day working through the city's criminal justice bureaucracy and coughing up large sums to retrieve their car from the pound.

More nettlesome than the irritation of being arrested for no cause, possible long-term consequences of a needlessly acquired criminal record and the potential for significant lawsuits that will have to be defended and settled with public funds, is the fact that the officer who led the Kmart debacle, Houston police Capt. Mark Aguirre, apparently has operated unchecked for years in this free-style arrest mode.

Police Chief C.O. Bradford says he has ordered an inquiry into the parking lot arrests. And Mayor Lee Brown has referred the matter to his Office of Inspector General. But Brown otherwise has been strangely quiet for a mayor who so heavily touted his extensive law enforcement experience during his three election campaigns.

The Chronicle does not condone behavior that is unlawful, or even just annoying, including drag racing, underage drinking, drug use, disturbingly loud music playing or anything else a bunch of kids hanging out late at night in a parking lot might be up to. But neither does the paper support police- state tactics that show an alarming disregard for the right of law-abiding citizens to to go about free from fear of sudden arrest.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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To: SoCal Pubbie
What is with all the Californians that jump for joy when something bad happens in Texas? It's kind of sad, really. I think Cali's wonderful, but overrrun with liberals. I've donated to Simon's campaign, even though I don't live there. But I guess I should just butt out, huh? Maybe Cali doesn't affect what happens in this country as much as I thought it did.
41 posted on 08/25/2002 10:25:20 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Ditter
Can you cite your source, please?
42 posted on 08/25/2002 10:27:44 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"I don't get it. I was sure that only Kaliforniastan was a jackbooted socialist cesspool, and that Texas was a shining paradise of liberty. What gives?"

The "Kalifornication" of Texas due to the open boarders of the Lone Star state.

43 posted on 08/25/2002 10:30:17 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: All
I can't understand why everyone is so upset...

It's like you think we still live a free country where you are the master of your own body...

Boys and girls, you are merely property of the state...

You are owned by the state...

You exist at the whims of the state...

You can be locked up by the state, for any reason the state deems necessary...

You are required to work for six months of the year to support your masters...

You DO NOT have the right to peacefully assemble, and curfews are in effect...

Now shut up and quit rattling those chains around your neck...

Remember, it's for your protection... And the children's...

44 posted on 08/25/2002 10:31:15 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: stands2reason
The Houston Chronical a couple of days ago. It was a direct "quote" from some girls who were arrested. They said we went into KMart to "use the bathroom" & buy a "scrunche" (hair thing) & were arrested when they came out.
45 posted on 08/25/2002 10:36:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: norton
When you let law enforcement work, it is a lot less likely to turn into a general threat...and when you recognize meaningful "rights" rather than those we've made up over the past fifty years or so, you might be able to let law enforcement do it's real work.

And just what is it's "real work"? Arresting patrons of a local business? Adopting a policy of "Arrest them all, and we'll sort 'em out later" (a subset of the "shoot first and ask questions later" mindset)? I thought the Poice were supposed to be fighting crime, and I find very little crime in this situation. I'm all for keeping the peace WHEN THERE IS A DISTURBANCE, but it has not been demonstrated that there was a disturbance here.

When a retail establishment is open for business, it's property is open for patrons to make use of the property for the purpose of doing business. It's an open invitation to the public to come on their property. What would you have them do? Hire Security Guards to check each patron as they come on the property to be sure they were in fact coming to engage in business with the establishment? That's a little too close to "papers, please" for my comfort.

The proper work of Law Enforcement is not harrassing children and adults indiscriminately. While these jack-boots were busy arrsting all these "dangerous" people, somewhere else in Houston there may have been a mugging, a rape, a murder, a drunk careening through the streets, or any number of more serious crimes taking place, but the HPD was busy with this little fiasco. Some Law Enforcement!

46 posted on 08/25/2002 10:43:52 AM PDT by nobdysfool
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To: stands2reason
Obviously my sense of humor escapes you. I do not enjoy whatever bad thing might befall the Lone Star State. I have always enjoyed my time there. In fact, Texas is one of the few places I would consider living other than my home.

I guess you haven't been around here long, but many Freepers actually hope an earthquake destroys us out here, or that nuclear bombs or anthrax take out our big cities. Some are kinder, they just want to give California back to Mexico. I like to point out that there is good and bad everywhere, and living here is not so horrible. I take whatever opportunity I can to expose the holier than thou crowd who can't wait to post how horrible the slavery is here in Kalifornia

47 posted on 08/25/2002 10:48:45 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Dog Gone
It is with the contemptuous attitude police showed toward the citizenry by not bothering to sort out the good from the bad.

Excuse me? Didn't they arrest 278? Was that TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-EIGHT? And the police are supposed to sort out the Momma's boys from the real troublemakers?

Give me a break. Maybe if teenagers/young adults faced some consequences for behavior that is unlawful, or even just annoying, including drag racing, underage drinking, drug use, disturbingly loud music playing they might think twice before doing it.

48 posted on 08/25/2002 10:50:24 AM PDT by ContraryMary
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To: S.O.S121.500
"The "Kalifornication" of Texas due to the open boarders of the Lone Star state."

I'm sure I can count on you then not to bash California, since so many of our residents are from out of state. And I'm not taking about the illegals, either!.

49 posted on 08/25/2002 10:51:48 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Northpaw
I wonder how some of these freepers would feel if these kids decided to loiter in their front yard and not move when asked?

Turn off that red light and maybe they will go away.

50 posted on 08/25/2002 10:59:02 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: ContraryMary
I hope you get arrested for a felony, soon. It might straighten out your attitude of being a fascist.
51 posted on 08/25/2002 11:04:02 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: ContraryMary
The problem is that these folks were not doing any of that at the time of their arrests. That's what made the police captain angry, so he decided to arrest everyone in the parking lot, regardless of why they might have been there at the time.

If you don't have a problem with that, you should.

52 posted on 08/25/2002 11:08:20 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: PatrioticAmerican; Dog Gone
You are probably both men. I think twice before going to my local ShopRite after 9pm. No individual should have to be concerned about their safety when picking up a gallon of milk. The fascists here are those hanging out in gangs.
53 posted on 08/25/2002 11:13:49 AM PDT by ContraryMary
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To: ContraryMary
How about the couple in their 40's that was arrested for choosing to eat at Sonic?
54 posted on 08/25/2002 11:16:05 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: ContraryMary
Well, hell, let's just arrest everyone who is out in public between your home and the ShopRite so that you feel safe.
55 posted on 08/25/2002 11:20:26 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: ContraryMary
Does that mean it's okay to arrest dining patrons at a restaurant? Would that make you feel "safer"? BTW, I'm a woman.
56 posted on 08/25/2002 11:21:26 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Dog Gone; niki
Are you or someone you know a susbcriber to the print edition of the Houston Chronicle? There is something in the archives that needs to be retrieved and presented here, but only print subscribers have access.
57 posted on 08/25/2002 11:32:24 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Dog Gone
Well, hell, let's just arrest everyone who is out in public between your home and the ShopRite so that you feel safe.

Now that's an idea. I don't feel safe on the freeways with all those other cars. They should all be arrested. It would make for a nice commute. :)

58 posted on 08/25/2002 11:33:11 AM PDT by niki
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To: Houmatt
Are you or someone you know a susbcriber to the print edition of the Houston Chronicle? There is something in the archives that needs to be retrieved and presented here, but only print subscribers have access.

I have access to those archives, what would you like retrieved?

59 posted on 08/25/2002 11:34:13 AM PDT by Dan Day
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To: pgkdan
Yes, I am afraid so.

You are missing the hypocrisy of several people here, who may assert their appreciation for law enforcement, but have no problem thumbing their noses at the police when 278 kids are on private property at 12:30 in the morning breaking the law.

60 posted on 08/25/2002 11:36:36 AM PDT by Houmatt
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