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There a number of assumptions about these graphics I find disturbing.
1. Are the numbers of residents previously located here or extended families. Your 'research' doesn't add to that.
2.California predominantly has been Hispanic since before the 1847 Mexican War. Wouldn't that demographic continue?
3. Most Hispanics are Catholic, which forbids abortion and promotes a flourishing of children. Wouldn't that demographic also explain the growing Hispanic populations in other cities?
4. Hispanic culture, an understanding of which seems to be lacking on this forum, is family based, with extended families tending to remain close to their birth origin. The Census data confirms this more than an 'invasion' scenario.
5. Illegals, for the most part, do not want to be noticed or seen, or their whereabouts defined. Why would they answer any Census questionaire that would identify them as such?

There have been other articles in this forum about illegals and an invasion of our borders. In almost ALL of those articles, an inherent bigotry has risen to the surface in a number of posters who bind ALL Hispanics into the same group of 'invaders'.

It does this forum no honor.

The data here presents a picure of a flourishing portion of the population. One that will be dominant in the next few years. A number of states are that way now, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas to a degree. California was once part of the great Spanish empire, which stretched all the way to Canadian border.

I have posted many responses to these articles on illegals. I have been called 'apologist', 'stupid', 'ignorant', 'dumb', and a number of invectives that I will not post here. These people sound just like the liberals Ann Coulter identifies in her book.

A lot of the growing Hispanic population is becoming Republican by way of the values that exist in this party, family values, lower taxes, less government, each man free to make his or her success. Yes, there are those that want on the government dole, the free ride, but the same is true of some blacks and whites alike.

There are ways to solve the 'illegals' problem.
1. Close the border. Period.
2. All illegals in the country,at that time, will have to gain sponsership from a US citizen to apply for citizenship.
3. Any falling into the criminal world or refuse to register, are deported immediately, along with their familes.
4. Illegals registered and sponsered will have 3 months to pass the requirements of US citizenship, under a probationary period, including renunciation of citizenship of their former country.
5. ALL, and I mean ALL forms of government assistance is stopped until these conditions are met.

What has to be done is to think 'outside the box' on solutions to the problem. Short of rounding all the illegals up and holding them in 'detention camps', which would not only be impractical, but create an even larger bureaucracy at the INS than already exists. A 'Committee of State Security' perhaps? This has been suggested by a number of other posters in other forums. In that case, how do you identify the 'illegal' from the US citizen? We are not required to carry papers indentifying us as legal or illegal. How do you discern between US citizen of Hispanic culture, and illegal. What will be the criteria?

34 posted on 08/24/2002 12:33:30 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: Pistolshot
What has to be done is to think 'outside the box' on solutions to the problem.

As long as we're thinking outside the box let's try some tried and true methods. Register all illegals and require them to carry the registration at all times. We can expand airport security to include roadside checkpoints and neighborhood sweeps. " Su papeles, por favor."

You're right that won't work because neither citizens nor illegals would have papers. We could just require everyone to carry papers. "Your papers please . . .or it's off to the camps."

Maybe we could go for something more permanent like identification numbers tattooed on the forearm or 222 tattooed on the forehead or, uh, 666.

We could require a citizen to sponsor every noncitizen but I supose that sponsorship could be withdrawn and the hapless soul sent bact to Mexico. Hurry with this one, I need "my" messican to mow the lawn.

40 posted on 08/24/2002 1:49:45 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Pistolshot
How to identify the illegals: they must have a legal document, not a false one, that proves that they are here legitimately. If they went through the legal process of immigration, then they have documents to prove it. Those that do not have the documents should be deported. They are breaking US Immigration law. What's so controversial about enforcing Federal law?

When we lived in Mexico (for eight years), it took us five years of much burocratic nonsense, money (bribes) and numerous documents to even arrive at "resident status". Then to become a real immigrant there were many more burocratic hoops to jump through and mordidas to pay. We never became "imigrados," but were regarded as "residentes." If the Mexican government can and does exercise such strict, legal controls over immigration to their country, why can't we insist that our laws be obeyed? Please explain if you disagree and why.

I am concerned that the Republican Party and Pres. Bush are ignoring this growing menace to the Republic. If they don't wake up soon, they are sure to lose support. Tell your Reps and Senators (over and over--I have done so and will continue).

64 posted on 08/24/2002 3:24:46 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Pistolshot
Where do you get that Hispanics were the predominate population from 1847 on? You are a liar. In 1970 you rarely saw a Hispanic in So. Cal. They were a minority of the population simply because there had never been many of them in Calif. It was not until the Calif. boom that they started showing up. It is also Mexican govt. policy to retake what they see as their land which is nonsense. In Arizona the Apaches killed any Mexicans they found. It was the US army that made it safe to be there. But keep your propaganda going.
127 posted on 08/24/2002 9:17:21 PM PDT by willyone
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