Posted on 08/22/2002 7:04:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth
Is that a fact? There is a self styled INS expert on this site that says the borders are wide open. There are legions that are crying for military involvement. You have a valid point about employer sanctions and there are a rash of illegals being fired because of bogus social security numbers. However, the border state local law enforcement agencies have ALL denied the feds request to hold a illegal aliens for deportation. I am telling you this right now, for illegal immigration to stop to any significant degree it WILL take a military option. Not only at the borders but also in rounding up the ones that are already here right now. To believe any thing else is ridiculous.
I read the majority of the responses to your "question for Freepers" and my only concern is what qualifies an alien as an illegal. I am totally against any alien being granted amnesty for coming here by way of illegally crossing our borders. I do have sympathy for those who have tried to follow the requirements for what it takes to become a legal contributor to our way of life and by no fault of their own the INS has failed to deliver on the application for residency. I feel these people deserve priority status. As far as the people who came here by the way of illegal border crossing, I feel we should deport them with the warning if they attempt to thwart our system again they and their family will be banned from ever becoming a citizen.
With that said... How can any reasonable person hold this administration responsible for decades of neglect by the INS? I know the NYT's have done their best to make many of us who havn't witnessed the gross neglegence of the INS for not confronting the problems with our immigration policies of the past and present.
My question for you would be..... name an administration that has done more to secure our borders than GWB? (I know 9/11 is a huge factor) but I challenge anyone to show me a signed bill that grants amnesty or even a single quote where this President has asked Congress to present him a bill that even comes close to what Ronald Reagan signed into law?
I've heard all the "He would of signed 245i" arguments and the "Jorge Bush" remarks. But the fact remains that we have made improvements on our border security. Have they been enough? "NO" Is it a start? "YES" Will we be able to solve these problems overnight "NO"....
My debate with you has been the same on this issue.... Does it do any good to divide conservatives on this issue ? or does it make sense to recognize the fact that with this president and the aftermath of 9/11 our border issues are at least being addressed. That's far more attention and progress I've seen in my lifetime. I will end this rant by saying... The NYT's and other left wing liberal publications love nothing more than to see this issue divide conservatives. They know very well it's an issue that can't be fixed by a single stroke of a pen or a veto or two. My suggestion to you and others is to contact your represenatives and hold their feet to the fire rather than expecting this President or any President to have the magic pill. NO amnesty bill has been signed and the President has never offered one. I say follow the laws on the books and enforce them vigorously.
Sorry for the long rant, But you, as well as many others have labeled me as an open borders flunkie because I disagree with your assumptions on who is to blame for our immigration policies.
"Some" is between "all" and "none." Those are the three generic quantities in logical equations. This isn't by any stretch a scientific poll, I'm just trying to get a feel for the general sentiments on the matter among members of this forum.
As for "slim portions" getting a status adjustment as a historical constant, I'm not sure that's the case without specific legislation enabling the adjustment. That's what the Section 245(i) issue was about. I belileve right now there's no changing of status for an Illegal, short of getting reclassified as a political refugee, which is really a separate matter.
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I never left. My flag is flying over the country I see as one that provides the greatest amount of potential freedom.
I'll learn Spanish to be free. Hell, I'll move to be free. Even post-Castro Cuba intrigues me.
I agree that the military is needed at the borders at least at this point in time. We also need to increase the border patrol and take internal action. If the state didnt simply give handouts to illegals I doubt we'd have to do alot of rounding up.
Actually, I find Freedomfriend to be very up front and detect that he is a very concerned American.....What I find pitiful is the 10 or so individuals on this forum that make excuses or attempt to minimize this invasion of millions, and the on going chaos that it is creating....
First, I apologize for pinging you, as you'd asked me to remove you from my list... I thought I had. But I'm glad you took the time to respond.
I'm actually going to call it a night, so I won't be able to delve into your post further until tomorrow. I do, however, want to adress your last sentence.
I'm quite certain I never called you an open borders anything, and I don't think I called you a flunky either. The reason I'm certain is because of the nature of our disagreement, which from your post, I think is about where we left it.
I don't think you're an open borders type, and "open borders" is a phrase I use sparingly because I haven't encountered too many folks whom I would characterize as being of that persuasion. I can count them on my hand with a finger or two to spare.
NWO is another one that gets bandied about... I just don't use it.
Anyway, good to hear from you... I'll reply more tomorrow.
Just call the TIPS line and wait for the America's Most Wanted crew to get to your call.
I have no doubt that you and him are just the bestest of friends. Hell you two are almost inseparable. What is your point?
If you were an hispanic citizen, or any other ethnicity, and had relatives and friends here illegally, who would you vote for? The party that is going to adopt your illegal relatives and friends or the party that is going to throw them out?
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