Father Steals Best: Crime in an American Family

NY Times ^ | 8-21-02 | FOX BUTTERFIELD

[Pharmboy]

Genes or environment? A bit of both, I would imagine.

[dighton]

bogle n. ... dial Brit : a goblin or specter : any object of dread, fear, or loathing : BOGEY

-- Webster's Third.

[metesky]

Ping for America's version of the Bean clan...

[general_re]

Rooster Bogle

In keeping with the rule of thumb that dictates that one should never play pool with men named after cities, there must be a rule about men named after farm animals...

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bogle

    1. A phantom causing fright; a goblin, bogy, or spectre of the night; an undefined creature of superstitious dread. (Usually supposed to be black, and to have something of human attributes, though spoken of as it.) Also, applied contemptuously to a human being who is ‘a fright to behold’.
 
  c1505 DUNBAR Tua mariit Wem. 111 The luif blenkis of that bogill, fra his blerde ene. 1535 STEWART Cron. Scot. III. 134 Like ane bogill all of ratland banis. 1646 R. BAILLIE Anabapt. (1647) 44 The Devils are nothing but only boggles in the night, to terrifie men. 1752 Scots Mag. (1753) Sept. 451/1 There used to be bogles seen. 1790 BURNS Tam o'Shanter, Whiles glow'ring round wi' prudent cares, Lest bogles catch him unawares. 1808 Cumbrian Ball. iii. 8 A boggle's been seen wi' twee heads. 1814 SCOTT Wav. lxxi, I played at bogle about the bush wi' them. 1822 T. BEWICK Mem. 20, I had not..got over a belief in ghosts and boggles. 1824 BYRON Juan XI. lxxii, A sort of sentimental bogle, Which sits for ever upon memory's crupper. 1832 SOUTHEY Lett. (1856) IV. 281 Boggles and Barguests are the only supernatural beings we hear of in these parts [Keswick]. 1864 TENNYSON North. Farmer viii, Theer wur a boggle in it, I often 'eerd un mysen.
 

    2. fig. and transf.    a. A bugbear (not a phantom).    b. A thing unsubstantial, a mere phantom.
 
  1663 LAUDERDALE in Papers (1884) I. cvi. 185, I have written so much that I doe feare my hand shall grow a bug~beare, or as we say heir a bogell. 1792 BURNS Despondency iii, The sillie bogles, wealth and state, Can never make them eerie.
 

    3. transf. A scarecrow. (In common use in north.)
 
  1830 GALT Lawrie T. VII. ix. (1849) 343 Bogles made of clouts. 1884 Gd. Words May 324/2 Potato bogles or scarecrows..vary in size..and dress, in nearly every parish.
 

    Hence bogle-bo [see BO.] = BOGLE; bogle-dom, the realm or domain of bogles.
 
  1603 Philotus ii, Quhat reck to tak the Bogill-bo, My bonie burd for anis. 1678 COLES Lat. Dict., Boggle-bo..an ugly wide-mouthed picture carried about with May games. 1730-6 BAILEY, Boggle-boe, a bugbear to fright Children, a scare crow. ?a1800 Rhymes in Proc. Berw. Nat. Club I. v. 148 The bogle bo' of Billy Mire Wha kills our bairns a'. 1860 G. H. K. Vac. Tour 171 Donald! Donald! keep out of the regions of bogledom.
 

[Congressman Billybob]

This is an interesting article in the New York Times. However, did anyone else notice that they had to go to Oregon to find a WHITE family that was filled with criminals in three generations? Isn't it possible, perhaps a lock solid certainty, that there are BLACK families like this in the NYC area?

But it just wouldn't be politically correct to have a chart of crime in a family with nothing but black faces, now would it? Besides, it's part of the general "look down our superior noses at everyone who's not from around here" atttitude of the Times.

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[upchuck]

An analysis by her office found that the cost for incarcerating just five of the 28 convicted Bogle family members was almost $3 million. That is not counting the expense of their trials, or of probation or parole after their release, or the costs if they are arrested again.

Well, let's see... 28 divided by 5 is 5.6 times 3 mil is... $16,800,000. Bunch 'o bucks for these sleaze balls.

And there are those that claim involuntary sterilization is inhumane. :)

[knews_hound]

The family that PREYS togather stays togather...

cheers,

knews hound

[Leisler]

Fight'n crime is big buisness. Of course if "We only had more resources....." You know the drill.

[Pharmboy]

I did think--as I read the article in this morning's paper--that if the family was of color the Times would not have published it. It's ALWAYS open season on white people at the Times.

[Pharmboy]

Good one, bro.

[Pharmboy]

I wonder (since he had claimed to be a gypsy) if he could trace his way back to those English gypsy-type wanderers? (I forgot their name--someone help me out here; Clinton was accused of having come from them).

[taxcontrol]

A convicing argument for "three strikes your out"

[decimon]

For the U.S. you might start with Irish Travellers, Murphys and McDonalds.

Brad Pitt took a role in a low budget English film in which he played an Irish Traveller type in England. Maybe that was "Snatch." Not a bad flik.

[Orual]

Okay you guys, what's a Cogburn?

[Salman]

But it just wouldn't be politically correct to have a chart of crime in a family with nothing but black faces...

A bit harder to trace genealogies.

[Britton J Wingfield]

Damn, I thought I would get to make the first Sawney Bean reference.

[aculeus]

The same author has done it for another family.

[Pharmboy]

The Travelers, that's it. Thanks.

[aculeus]

I wonder (since he had claimed to be a gypsy) if he could trace his way back to those English gypsy-type wanderers? (I forgot their name--someone help me out here; Clinton was accused of having come from them).

The Irish have the Travelers but I'm not aware of their English counterpart.

[aculeus]

The same author wrote a book about a similar non-white family. See my #17 for el-linko.