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Angry father of murder victim storms out of courtroom
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^
| Wednesday, August 21, 2002
| M.L. LYKE
Posted on 08/21/2002 10:19:31 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Raymond Hendrix
No, Tina Smith is a real Christian from what I have read here. If forgiving the scum that killed one of my relatives like this is a requirement for being a Christian, I know I will never qualify.
I certainly don't forgive Clinton for what he did to this country.
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posted on
08/21/2002 11:24:04 AM PDT
by
07055
To: Schnucki
"Tina clearly lives what she believes and it costs her more dearly than any of the names thrown at her by the exasperated."That might be very much indeed. I expect she isn't very popular with her nephews family these days. Especially after the verdict was read. I'd have to agree with the poster who called her an idiot.
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posted on
08/21/2002 11:26:47 AM PDT
by
monday
To: monday
You're all wrong about Christian forgiveness.
Forgiveness is for YOUR heart to remain pure. Haven't any of you met someone completely bitter and cynical. It's usually because they harbored a grudge for so long.
Don't assume that forgiving someone means you don't want them punished to the full extent.
To: ValerieUSA
Sure drug (marajuna) use is a "victimless" crime.
Too bad the father wouldn't accept responsibility for not effectively deturing his son from doing drugs or doing whatever he did to get $400 to try to make this fateful drug buy. The sad part is the father probably gave this kid fists full of cash just to avoid having to spending time with him.
That said, the perps should hang.
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posted on
08/21/2002 11:52:36 AM PDT
by
anymouse
To: ValerieUSA
![](http://www.cartogra.com/rs/C279CCBD-B4DE-11D6-B42C-0090277A760E/screen)
Where is Judge Roy Bean when you need him?
To: ValerieUSA
Although the boys rifled Lorbiecki's pockets, they found only $12. Police later discovered $400 stashed away in a separate pocket. What's wrong with our schools today? Why aren't they teaching people how to loot the dead efficiently?
(It's a joke, guys!)
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posted on
08/21/2002 11:52:58 AM PDT
by
Tancred
To: Raymond Hendrix
What weird concepts of Christianity and forgiveness I see here!
Jesus and two other men were executed on Calvary one day. The two others were robbers and knew that they deserved their death sentences. One dared to mock Jesus with the rest of the crowd even then, but the other declared the innocence of Jesus along with his own guilt and begged forgiveness, which was granted for eternity. However, despite His power to save Himself and anyone else from crucifixion that day, Jesus did NOT save the forgiven man from the justice served to him on earth.
Divine Forgiveness does not mean suspension of earthly justice.
It does not mean, "Look at me, I am so Holy that I forgive murderers who did not murder me and robbers who did not steal from me."
Without the establishment of justice in society, and a fearful reverance for its true meaning in individuals, one cannot acknowledge the full weight of guilt or express true humility. The miracle found in mercy is incomprehensible to those who refuse to administer justice.
Agape Love is not a feeling - nor are justice, repentance and forgiveness mere feelings.
Tina Smith is an idiot who skipped all the work and deep thought of understanding justice and went straight for the emotional public forgiveness performance. It has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with feeling good about herself.
To: ValerieUSA
I'd be waiting for him with a baseball bat when he gets out.
To: monday; ValerieUSA
Well, re-reading and giving it some thought, I'm starting to have some mixed feelings about the appropriateness of Tina's public display.
I don't argue with her personal forgiveness based on her understanding of God's Will, but for her to publicly stand up and display it while the family members, those who were directly wounded, are coming to grips with the frustration and anger of the situation ... .
Even if they were bound to come to the same conclusion, I can imagine that her announcement could be seen more as meddling in someone else's pain rather than as a genuine witness to the love of God.
I need more time to think this one through.
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posted on
08/21/2002 12:15:43 PM PDT
by
Schnucki
To: ValerieUSA
Well Spoken.
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posted on
08/21/2002 12:21:02 PM PDT
by
L,TOWM
To: ValerieUSA
Some very well written and thought out comments.
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posted on
08/21/2002 12:27:44 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
To: What Is Ain't
"And then she pulled out her Uzi and distributed true justice on the perps."
That is just too funny.
To: ValerieUSA
"Nobody can bring Joshua back. And nobody but God can help the family." Well a good start in helping the family would be to give them the justice they deserve. But nooooo, let's pamper the murderous little creeps that took his life.
To: Mercat
You are right. This story should be a lesson about dealing with drug dealers. My apologies to all the druggie libertarians out there.
As soon as someone sets out to commit a crime, he should be willing to take the consequences.
The criminals who beat this boy should sacrifice their lives for the life they took.
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posted on
08/21/2002 12:51:42 PM PDT
by
Chemnitz
To: ValerieUSA
Tina Smith is an idiot who skipped all the work and deep thought of understanding justice and went straight for the emotional public forgiveness performance. It has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with feeling good about herself. BUMP
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posted on
08/21/2002 1:00:24 PM PDT
by
Sloth
To: I still care
To: ValerieUSA
Judge Richard Thorpe handed Emmanuel Wilson a sentence of 12 1/2 years for second-degree murder and assault with a deadly weapon. He will be out in 6 yrs. or less.
Revenge is best served up cold.
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posted on
08/21/2002 1:44:00 PM PDT
by
Vinnie
To: Mercat
$400 worth of weed in this area of the country could very well be no more than an ounce. Possesion of an ounce just about anywhere in the country is a misdemeanor. The fine would be about $100 to $200. I guess its OK to be murdered for running a stop light. After all you were breaking the law and should no better.
I will certainly not defend a young man of his age buying or using weed. There are better things for him to be doing.
For the Drug warriors out there to equate his behaviour with reasonable expectations of death, is beyond ignorant. May this father find some comfort in the coming months. May the Drug Warriors of FR someday get a clue>
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posted on
08/21/2002 1:59:51 PM PDT
by
vikzilla
To: ValerieUSA
"I'm sorry I won't be there to raise my daughter," he said. Yeah, right. I'm glad the wounded parties stormed out of the courtroom. We should have more of that going on.
To: ValerieUSA
Who said that forgiveness means that justice should not be served? Please read before you respond. Neither I nor the boy's aunt asked for justice to be suspended.
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