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VAN DAM MURDER VERDICT [VERDICT IN: GUILTY!]
ABC radio

Posted on 08/21/2002 10:03:52 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

I just heard this at noon.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: horndog; kidnapping; molestation; vandam; westerfield; westerfieldrailroad
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To: TomB
>>>Their belief in his innocence went way beyond fanatical.<<<

Got that right. Very strange stuff how they could support someone that was so obviously guilty.

701 posted on 08/21/2002 5:09:06 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: nycgal
"Neither do readbacks. I've been on a jury and have had testimony read back to us.

True, but judges are actually reluctant to do the readbacks, as well. It is the minimum they can do, and it's all they do.

When I was on a jury, the judge told us that if we had questions or wanted readbacks, he had to bring in both attorneys and the defendent from wherever they were at the time, and he obviously didn't want to to that unless we REALLY wanted something. For the answer to one of our questions, he just sent us a note that said, "Read your written instructions from me, again." And he was quite a nice judge, too.

702 posted on 08/21/2002 5:10:18 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: wimpycat
GOODGAWD, I just got back from the Smokey Backroom! Don't enter without your Rabies shots, people. Mad dogs everywhere. I really cannot believe the frothing at the mouth comments and attacks on those who disagree. It's completely out of control.
703 posted on 08/21/2002 5:11:33 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness
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To: f.Christian
What other name might the "mealy-bugs fly" have?
704 posted on 08/21/2002 5:11:40 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: TomB
I stayed away as well when I saw how several people whose opinions differed from the cult were treated. It fell to the level of adults engaging in namecalling. No thanks, I had no desire to enter into debate with juvenile, unreasonable individuals. I would say more, but I think that's enough.
705 posted on 08/21/2002 5:11:42 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: agrandis
>>>Forensic entomology is an unusually exact science, actually<<<

Yeah an "exact science" that all the "experts" who practice it disagree on it seems.

706 posted on 08/21/2002 5:13:04 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: agrandis
I know...but I forgot---they are mothish!
707 posted on 08/21/2002 5:13:41 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: connectthedots
I don't see how he can possibly get a new trial. Ideas?
708 posted on 08/21/2002 5:16:46 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: SirAllen
See post #316, dimwit. And, no, OJ is guilty. You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about.
709 posted on 08/21/2002 5:18:00 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: agrandis
and the fact that he had (as I understand it) categorized, stored kiddie porn

They didn't show the alleged kiddie porn to the media, but my recollection is that the questionable stuff amounted to less than 1% of an extensive collection of run of the mill T&A porn. Also, there is some question whether all of it was the defendant's, given his teen aged son had access to the machine and was actually using it while his dad was downtown being grilled by the police.

As an entomologist who has studied forensic entomology, and my understanding of the entomological data, it seems almost 100% to me that the girl was put whre she was found while DW was under constant surveillance.

Obviously, this jury doesn't hold entomology in very high regard.

BTW, what was the nature of the DNA found in his motorhome? Hair? Skin? Blood?

I'm no expert, but my recollection is that the strongest piece of evidence was a spot on Westerfield's jacket that matched Danielle's DNA, but was not verified to be blood (not sure how that's possible). Also troubling were also some strands of hair and a couple of fingerprints that were in the motor home. It seemed to me that, if he had done the crime in the motor home or used it to transport the body, there should have been a lot more of such evidence. Also, there are possible alternative explanations, such as the kid trespassing some time in the fall of last year, or even the real perp (or Ott and Keyser — San Diego's finest, don't you know) doing a frame up.

So, I don't think it was proven that Westerfield did it. Nor was it proven that he didn't. But I'd sure love to know who did, how, and why!

710 posted on 08/21/2002 5:19:07 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Peach
You haven't been paying attention - Danielle's blood on his jacket, in his motor home and her fingerprints in his motorhome, small hand scratches on his arm, etc. The evidence is strong, your defense of him is weak. Glad you think defending pedophiles is worthwhile.

Really? I've been following these threads and court tv for months. Where have you been? I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your bigoted reply with a response, dimwit.

711 posted on 08/21/2002 5:19:26 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Henrietta
I don't see how he can possibly get a new trial. Ideas?

Oh, no! Lots of reaons. Corrupt cops. Swinging neighbors. Media lynch mobs. I'm just not sure Feldman is the man for the job however. I think DW may need new counsel. Dont' give up hope. Loose lips will tell the tale.

712 posted on 08/21/2002 5:20:50 PM PDT by HoneyBoo
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To: cynwoody
Yeah that's right Westerfield is the most unlucky convicted child rape porno collector in history. All that evidence that points right at him and he didn't do it. He takes being "unlucky" to unprecedented levels.
713 posted on 08/21/2002 5:23:46 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
>>>Forensic entomology is an unusually exact science, actually<<<

Yeah an "exact science" that all the "experts" who practice it disagree on it seems.

It would SEEM like that, when lawyers get involved. Remember in the OJ case, when the defense brought in that high-paid crackpot to cast doubt on DNA evidence. He may as well have been wearing a hat with a propellor on it.

In the case being discussed, the third entomologist (the one paid by the prosecution) never disagreed with the work or science of his colleagues. He simply stated that an obscure, freak condition might have occured that would make a one-and-a-million error in the calculations of the previous two entomologists. Even then, he could only stretch the date back to the very edge of doubt.

I'm telling you, the entomological evidence is hard to get around, and in my opinion the prosecution's entomologist did not do a good job at getting around it. I don't know his motives, of course, but I suspect that his conscience ought ot bother him for trying to haze the truth for money, when lives are at stake.

I concede that there is some serious evidence against Westerfield, and I'm not necessarily saying he's innocent. It's probably just as well for society that he is no longer a free man. But the timing of the dumping of the body is a big problem I can't get around. There is some other reasonable doubt in my own mind, but that one is the biggie for me.

714 posted on 08/21/2002 5:26:23 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: HoneyBoo
What fantasy. What Westerfield needs is a time machine, so he can go back in time and make a different decision the night he took Danielle.
715 posted on 08/21/2002 5:27:03 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: nycgal
I think that the real reason that the jury is not allowed to read the transcripts is that literacy is not a requirement to be on a jury.
716 posted on 08/21/2002 5:27:35 PM PDT by Eva
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To: agrandis
Did the cops know whether or not the porn DW had could have been MADE by him?

I had the impression that the nastiest porn item was a Japanese cartoon (anime?) depicting the rape of a young girl. I could see where he might have kept that just because of its unusualness, its bizarre reflection of a foreign culture's underside.

717 posted on 08/21/2002 5:29:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Irene Adler
One of the readbacks we requested was that of a woman with a Jamaican accent so thick we hadn't been able to understand one word. I don't know how the court reporter did it, but she managed to key it in with a pained expression on her face. How much of it was made up by her and how much was what the witness actually said, we'll never know.
718 posted on 08/21/2002 5:37:25 PM PDT by nycgal
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To: cynwoody
So if what you are telling me is accurate, Westerfield may not have even been guilty of collecting kiddie porn? One report I saw made it sound like he had tons of it stored on CDs with labels and all. If he indeed collected kiddie porn (as opposed to having some accidental crap in the trash he collected), it could be used to prove a mindset, but otherwise the porn is of little importance to the question of who murdered the child.

BTW, in order to even discuss this, you have to block out from your mind that this was an innocent young child that was hurt and murdered. There is nothing more infuriating in the world if you let yourself think about it too much. It seems weird that our whole country is discussing Calliphorid larvae and lawyers and locks and motorhomes, when that is what is at the bottom of it all. Abortion is the same way. We talk about laws and restrictions and rallies, and can scarcely allow ourselves to think about what it's all about.

719 posted on 08/21/2002 5:37:59 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: Bush2000; FreeTheHostages
ask them to survey whether most Apple users are gay.

I believe I already know the answer to that. Having met hundreds of Mac users over the years, I've only known of one Mac owner who was gay - and he was in the process of getting a PC. I'd bet that the percentage of gay Windows users is higher than the general population (except in Hollywood perhaps).

But every child molester I've read about was a Windows user.

Here a link to the transcript of the expert testimony about Westerfield's computer - excerpted below -

Q: NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BEDROOM COMPUTER. DO YOU RECALL THAT PARTICULAR COMPUTER?

A: YES, SIR.

Q: WHAT BRAND WAS IT?

A: THAT WAS A GATEWAY COMPUTER.

[snip]

Q: WERE YOU ABLE TO DETERMINE WHO WAS THE REGISTERED USER OF THAT BEDROOM COMPUTER?

A: YES, SIR.

Q: WHO?

A: DAVID A. WESTERFIELD.


720 posted on 08/21/2002 5:40:41 PM PDT by HAL9000
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