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VAN DAM MURDER VERDICT [VERDICT IN: GUILTY!]
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Posted on 08/21/2002 10:03:52 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

I just heard this at noon.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: horndog; kidnapping; molestation; vandam; westerfield; westerfieldrailroad
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To: Types_with_Fist
And Westerfield took the rap and covered their complicity because...?

Wanted to escape the death penalty, or LIP with possibility of murder at the hands of fellow inmates by pleading innocent.

But, I don't know. I haven't even had the stomach to follow the case, so I am not familiar with a lot of the details, but two things bother me. One is that he snuck in, drunk as a skunk, and pulled off a remarkably clean rape and murder. Two is that the prosecution had to stretch things pretty badly to explain away the blowflies, which are pretty dang reliable six-legged witnesses with no dog in the fight.

661 posted on 08/21/2002 4:10:26 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: truth_seeker; connectthedots
The porn verdict was dated 13 Aug. 2002.

That is a piece to the puzzle.

662 posted on 08/21/2002 4:11:52 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Lilly
What? The "Angel" died while being murdered by the demonic scumbag ("W.")

I assume you mean "DW", not our President. I can't say for sure if it was DW, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out eventually that D is the daemonic perp's first initial.

663 posted on 08/21/2002 4:14:08 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Well Kim,

These parents did not protect their child...doors were left open, alarm lights were noticed, but noone checked on the kids.

They reversed the lock on their garage door which made access VERY easy for ANYONE WHO KNOWS THEM.

They brought back drunk, stoned "friends" at 2 am, while their children were asleep in the house.

All in all, I would say that they are unfit parents, regardless if DW did it or not.

Those remaining children are at risk. Obviously, the parents do NOT know how to protect their children.

664 posted on 08/21/2002 4:18:13 PM PDT by demsux
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
If it were a "random" snatching off of the street, I would feel differently about the VD's, however IMO, their indiscretions cost Danielle her life.
665 posted on 08/21/2002 4:20:34 PM PDT by demsux
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To: FresnoDA
fres did i win
666 posted on 08/21/2002 4:20:58 PM PDT by demsux
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To: bvw; truth_seeker
The porn verdict was dated 13 Aug. 2002.

That is a piece to the puzzle.

It is not a puzzler. If truth_seeker is correct, then I was correct on my posts last week.

Many, many of the posters on the forum who believed in DW were misconstruing the jury and their evidence requests. These posters were incorrectly thinking that the jury had considered murder/kidnapping then moved on to porn.

This discussion took place last Wed., I believe.

I pointed out that the porn evidence had been requested by the jury on Friday. Then Monday afternoon the Redden tape was requested, then the Redden transcript was requested Tuesday morning. I pointed out that therefore it stood to reason that the porn charge had been dealt with and they had moved on to the murder/kidnap charge.

Evidently, according to truth_seeker, they did indeed sign that verdict form on Tuesday as I had surmised.

Very simple and logical.

667 posted on 08/21/2002 4:22:31 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: alnick
"Gee, I'll bet the pedophiles will be happy to hear that children of swinger parents are legally fair game because they come equipped with reasonable doubt."

Exactly. Making an automatic assumption of reasonable doubt just because of the lifestyle of family members of a crime victim is not simply not warranted. It denies the victim justice from the word go without even considering the evidence in the case.

668 posted on 08/21/2002 4:23:08 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: cyncooper
Good observations last week. Still a puzzle though.
669 posted on 08/21/2002 4:25:01 PM PDT by bvw
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To: f.Christian
Have you ever seen maggots migrating(crawling)...flies transporting them---I have!

No, I have never seen that. I have never known of blow flies exhibiting that behavior. Of course, just because it isn't known, doesn't mean you did not witness it. If that's what you saw, it would be very intriguing to many entomologists, I'm sure.

But are you sure you did not see a parasitic Tachinid fly giving live birth to maggots. Some species of Tachinids do that, and they look very much like house or blow flies.

Do you remember exactly what you witnessed?

670 posted on 08/21/2002 4:25:43 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis
Exactly...form the waste container along the floor---to the sink!
671 posted on 08/21/2002 4:27:45 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Judge Napolitano, who comments on legal issues for FOX News said he found the evidence against Westerfield "overwhelming". I heard him say that this afternoon when he was discussing the guilty verdict in this case.

He's sat through a lot of cases while on the bench. Why would he say that if the evidence was so poor? His comments always seem so sensible, and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders along with his experience. I have found his comments to be both reasonable and persuasive on FOX News all along. Why would he be so far off on this one?

672 posted on 08/21/2002 4:27:45 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: cyncooper
A VERY SIMPLE AND LOGICAL BUMP!

Hi cyn.
673 posted on 08/21/2002 4:28:26 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: agrandis
The whole thing is very sad and disgusting. I'm not sure Westerfield is innocent in any sense of the word, but the prosecution sure didn't prove their case to my satisfaction. As an entomologist who has studied forensic entomology, and my understanding of the entomological data, it seems almost 100% to me that the girl was put whre she was found while DW was under constant surveillance. That's the creepiest thing to me about the case, and really the only thing that got me following the case at all.

I am surprised that at least one juror did not hold out based on the bug evidence alone. I think the emotions of the jurors had regarding the porn overwhelmed their collective sensabilities and reasoning related to bug evidence. If DW did just breakup with his girlfriend, it does not surprise me that he would wonder around for a day or two in his motor home. A guy that likes relatively slim, big-busted women does not all of a sudden take a sexual interest in a little girl. It make no sense to me.

Like you, I am not totally convinced of his innocense, but I am convinced the prosecution did not actually prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt; not even close. This is one case in which a hung jury may have been the best result. It is also a good argument against the death penalty.

674 posted on 08/21/2002 4:35:25 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: cynwoody
BTW, what was the nature of the DNA found in his motorhome? Hair? Skin? Blood?

Never mind; a little bit of reading on my part answered the question.

Just as it is strange that a plastered DW entered the home so stealthily and nabbed the child, it is strange, on the other hand, that a plastered DW suddenly went for a long road trip that night. I have gone on sudden, solo road trips before, but I was never plastered.

Another problem for DW is the blood on his jacket. Hairs in his motorhome might be explained away by the child entering it unbeknownst, but how the heck did he get her blood on his jacket? It is fishy that he was thoroughly cleaning everything at that time, as well.

But the maggots are still a problem for th prosecution.

I just think the whole picture is not being painted, here. If DW was the perp, and I can see some of the reasons they suspected him in the first place, it seems to me, queasily, that other people were somehow involved.

Did the cops know whether or not the porn DW had could have been MADE by him?

675 posted on 08/21/2002 4:36:07 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
We gots to see what happens during appeal..it's not over yet..

Well, the trial is OVER. The punishment phase is soon to start, options being life in prison, or death. It is pretty much OVER for Westerfield.

He will be behind bars for years, even if sentenced to death.

The SaveDave thread on FR will now be sure to last for years, pending appeal, of course.

676 posted on 08/21/2002 4:36:45 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Valpal1
Val, What a relief they were able to deliberate and render a verdict.

And they sounded so strong and sure when they were polled.

Justice has been served, IMO.
677 posted on 08/21/2002 4:36:47 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Palladin
Still waiting for the DumbA** song lyrics
678 posted on 08/21/2002 4:37:54 PM PDT by paul51
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To: cyncooper; Valpal1; redlipstick; Amore
see #678 heh heh
679 posted on 08/21/2002 4:39:48 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: cyncooper
I noticed that too, the strength of their voices when polled. Sounded like the meant it and didn't what to hear any 2nd guessing about it.

I hope they unseal the closed hearings soon and ungag everyone just as soon as the sentencing is over. I see no reason to keep it in place for the appeals.
680 posted on 08/21/2002 4:41:51 PM PDT by Valpal1
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