VAN DAM MURDER VERDICT [VERDICT IN: GUILTY!]

ABC radio

[wallcrawlr]

I just heard this at noon.

[Freedom2specul8]

It really helps to post links to testimony that supports that claim.

There were actual images, stored and very organized. Many files had their names changed AFTER they were downloaded.

[homeschool mama]

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[checkessential]

Source is Laura Inghram?(sp) KFI and the broccoli stalk jocks (inside joke) who religiously replayed tapes of testimony for the day. They played the tape several times, because it went to the point of the obvious

[checkessential]

Source is Laura Inghram?(sp) KFI and the broccoli stalk jocks (inside joke) who religiously replayed tapes of testimony for the day. They played the tape several times, because it went to the point of the obvious

[Jaded]

I'd like to hear what the jury has to say.

[Freedom2specul8]

The child porn was a sick product of this man's habits. He CHOSE to save them. There was no way the defense could have shown that he had them innocently. Thank God child porn is illegal. I do not believe it should have been a separate trial for it because it shows what that man thinks about IN HIS LEISURE time..and he is accused of doing what the adults were doing in the films..in a round about way.

[alisasny]

Well now onward to election 2002. Yikes we are running out of time. I am in Lazio's old district and that charade of a campaign. Would love to tell you about that sometime.

I consider myself a thinking newbie as far as running a campaign but I actually witnessed the debacle of the Lazio campaign. It was right off coming from the Rudy campaign. OMG, it was a joke. Lazio never had a chance and I think most of us know this. When i was helping the Rudy campaign it was just simply wonderful. I shall never forget those few months. It was amazing to see people who worked for Rudy with real true ideas and getting paid to boot.

Rudy drops out and all the cooks were festering around Lazio. It was a discrace. He was never even a contender.

Anyway hope we can both continue on with conservative activism!

[Peach]

I didn't watch his testimony but heard it was unconvincing and was disputed by the prosecution's expert.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Key word in your post is "heard".

[Freedom2specul8]

The anthropologist tied it together...faulkner must have not had much experience with mummified skin. ( AND the bug guy from missouri admitted he didnt' have experience with bodies in danielle's condition)

[Amore]

Kim, thanks for the ping. Appellate work is ALL I do, and I agree with P-Marlowe. That verdict's not going to be overturned.

[Peach]

I "heard" it on court tv where they replayed some of the prosecution's expert testimony and contrasted it with the defense expert's testimony; then the panel discussed the testimony of both experts. You're trying to insult me because I "heard" the testimony. What did you do? Write it? You heard testimony too, presumably.

[Freedom2specul8]

I'd love to hear about that..! The inside info is much better than reading it in the papers..and hearing the news heads speak. I especially want to know about tha tlittle community in NY, were they orthodox jews who supported the beast? Forgive my memory.. I'd like to knwo if any more info came out about that..

[ItsOurTimeNow]

You mean the same CourtTv that's assumed DW is guilty since day one? The same panel that wanted him to be guilty because "the state needs a middle-aged white man on death row"?

[Freedom2specul8]

AMORE!.. Tis about time! I'm feeling more encouraged..thank you both..and Amore, I have missed you so much, but I completely understand why you refrained from participating..

[alisasny]

Kim, if the New Sqaure reality ever came out they would be booted from this country. I still dont understand why this country finds any good will in bj and his wife.

MY MY CBS just paid two terrorists over 20 grand for a stupid tape of Osama....

That should sicken any AMerican

[Valpal1]

Well Kim, it's practically over. I expect the appeals to drag on for years. Wonder if the closed hearings will get unsealed before or after the penalty phase. Prolly, after, to protect the process.

I am hoping for a life without parole sentence. Cheaper and more uncomfortable for him to live in general poplulation. He'll end up living longer on death row, IMO.

[Bush2000]

You're using circular logic.

No, you're crossing your eyes.

We know that virtually all of the kiddie porn creeps use Windows,

No, we don't know that. That's your assertion. Prove it.

... but we need to determine why they are attracted to a Microsoft operating system for their sick lifestyle.

Non-sequitor. Your original premise is unsubstantiated.

This pattern needs to be publicized so that the public can recognize the warning signs of a potential child molester.

Oh, rrrrright. That's gonna help: "Be on the lookout for a Windows user." Lay off the crack, Hal. /SARCASM

If it saves the life of one child, it's worth it.

Save it for the "Democratic Leadership Council", Clinton.

[FreeTheHostages]

I wonder why people think so conspiratorially in criminal trials. I read your profile: it says you're "intrigued" by it. This isn't a hobby horse: a girl lost her life. I think sometimes people get a little lost when they get too intrigued by it. I was a prosecutor, I've seen a lot of cases, weak and strong, and worked for 8 years. I know this evidence well, I followed it. This is a strong case. It just plain is.

When I picked a jury, I never put college professors or people who over-thought things on because people who get too intrigued and try to turn life into a mystery novel or detective novel miss reality. They become inaccurate. Plumbers and school teachers know the real world better than some very over-educated people I know. I have friends who are conservative but like to read one too many mystery novel: everything has to be a complicated mystery novel, and if all the loose ends don't neatly wrap together (hint, in the real world they never do), then the mystery is not solved. That's just not the way the world works.

I see from your profile we agree on many things. Yet we have fundamentally different ways of knowing things. Epistemology, you might say. And I'd say: no, knowing things.

How many times in my career did I stand in front of a jury and rebut a criminal defense lawyer's assertion that of *course* it didn't happen that way, of course his client didn't run north into a dead end or some such, it doesn't make sense! And my answer was always the same: look, I don't prosecute perfect crimes 'cause bandits don't get caught if it's a perfect crime. I prosecute messy, chaotic crimes that occur in the real world. Where yes there are some uncertainties. But reasonable doubt isn't a fanciful doubt.

A lot of the doubt I see expressed here is "fanciful" and "intriguing." And ultimately self-indulgent. Yet the girl who died is real, as is her family's grief. I think that fiction is a better outlet for the aesthetics of mystery.

[Valpal1]

Hey Amore, welcome back.