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VAN DAM MURDER VERDICT [VERDICT IN: GUILTY!]
ABC radio

Posted on 08/21/2002 10:03:52 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

I just heard this at noon.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: horndog; kidnapping; molestation; vandam; westerfield; westerfieldrailroad
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To: connectthedots
Judge Mudd was not a push-over marshmallow like Judge Ito in the O.J. case. High-powered defense attorneys can and do turn any trial into a zoo if the presiding judge permits that.

Remember the purpose of defense attorneys in criminal cases: It is not their job to "prove the defendant innocent." It is only their job to create a cloud of confusion, like the ink cloud of a startled squid in the ocean, so their client wiill get off in the midst of it.

Congressman Billybob

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461 posted on 08/21/2002 12:16:59 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: marajade
What was the outcome on the perjury case? Did you find the defendent innocent?

Nope. The guy abandoned his wife and kids, then filed for divorce in another state, swearing under oath that she had left him and he didn't know where she was. All along, he was mailing birthday cards to the kids. Guess how we voted.

462 posted on 08/21/2002 12:17:08 PM PDT by Steve0113
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To: wallcrawlr
It's done. Everybody should be happy.

Those who believe that justice is served will be glad to see this man go down , while those who have a pathological need to cast doubt on every official version of a crime will get to discuss and thrash this around for the next 2 years.

DNA technology is wonderful. Occasionally, a really skilled smoke-blower like Johnny Cochran can get around it, but it usually does the trick.

463 posted on 08/21/2002 12:17:38 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: SirAllen
If Westerfield is guilty (and I think he may well be), then I want to make certain that Law Enforcement, who are paid from our hard-earned money, do their job. I do not believe that either LE or the prosecutor did their job adequately and as a result, society is a little less safe for all of us now. Even if DW IS guilty, if anyone can be convicted on sloppy evidence, then all of us are in more danger. That's the reason our founding fathers set up presumption of innocent until proven guilty. If DW is guilt, I want to see better evidence. Instead of us attacking each other, we should be directing our comments and concern to LE in San Diego.
464 posted on 08/21/2002 12:18:25 PM PDT by twigs
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To: marajade
If Danielle was in his house while she was alive, why didn't Westfield present testimony to that fact? He didn't because he couldn't.

  Did you follow the case at all before today?

  The defense did present evidence that Danielle was in his house before, and the prosecution agreed to it. Danielle and Brenda were in his house when they'd come by to sell girl scout cookies, and they came in to look at the kitchen remodelling he was doing. According to the VanDams, Danielle and the boys stayed by their mother's side during the visit, while the defense claims they roamed throughout the house and upstairs.

Drew Garrett

465 posted on 08/21/2002 12:18:30 PM PDT by agarrett
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To: marajade
To: Steve0113

What was the outcome on the perjury case [Steve, who's saying Westerfield is not guilty, served on a jury for one]? Did you find the defendent innocent?

442 posted on 8/21/02 3:12 PM Eastern by marajade

Kinda quiet in here, isn't it?
466 posted on 08/21/2002 12:18:37 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: FresnoDA
Maybe I'm slow but I don't get what you are trying to say in the picture...
467 posted on 08/21/2002 12:19:01 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Congressman Billybob
"If Westerfield now lacks more assets/money to pay his attorneys, the "grateful taxpayers" will be required to cough up the money to pay the lawyers to conduct a few years of appeals. That, too, is courtesy of the US Supreme Court. Is this a great nation, or what? "

He was ruled indigent by the court..
468 posted on 08/21/2002 12:19:21 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: marshmallow
Occasionally, a really skilled smoke-blower like Johnny Cochran can get around it

Don't give him too much credit. Having racist idiots for jurors must help.

469 posted on 08/21/2002 12:19:43 PM PDT by arm958
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To: marajade
He responded, but he couldn't quite bring himself to use the word "guilty." But it looked like a simple enough case for him, I guess. ;)
470 posted on 08/21/2002 12:19:49 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Guilty? Wait, I thought he was obviously innocent because the poor girl's parents were swingers and they smoked the Devil's Weed. Surely this is tragic.

</ sarc >

You nailed it! If it weren't so tragic a subject, watching the anguish of these confused, zealotly pre-occupied whacks would be a hilarious hoot! A despicible murderer was found guilty by a court of law and these horrid souls are disappointed the parents can't be punished anymore. Ask me and I'll tell you that the parents have suffered more than westerfield ever will. I hope they'll be able to smoke some pot to dampen their pain.

471 posted on 08/21/2002 12:19:57 PM PDT by 68 grunt
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To: marajade
No doubt shaking with pleasure the sick dog. They should roll the gurney right into the court room and hook the needle up right there. He's had his day in court now let society be rid of this scum.
472 posted on 08/21/2002 12:20:27 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: FresnoDA
Hey, Fresno D___ A__,

Here's your crow....would you like that baked or fried?

Would you care for a side order of sour grapes with that?

And here's a napkin for that egg on your face.
473 posted on 08/21/2002 12:20:31 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: crystalk
I predict DW will take the stand on appeal.

Take if from a Lawyer. You can't take the stand on appeal. The appeal is only to determine if there has been a violation of statutory or case law in the proceedings or there is a finding that the evidence was not sufficient to find guilt. In this case there is the little problem of the UNEXPLAINED presence of the victim's blood on the murderer's clothing.

If he thought he could have explained that, he had his chance at trial. He didn't try to explain it. That's because the only explanation is that HE'S GUILTY.

He will not be given an opportunity to take the stand on appeal. No one is ever given that opportunity. Dream on. Your favorite Child Rapist Murderer is Guilty. He will stay Guilty. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that this verdict will be overturned on appeal. I would be willing to bet my house on it.

You'll just have to move to San Quentin if you want to fawn over him. Maybe if you're real nice he'll invite you to the needle stick party.

474 posted on 08/21/2002 12:21:01 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: agarrett
Well Westerfield didn't get on the stand to present testimony to contradict what Brenda Van Dam presented did he about where she was in the house in relation to fingerprint evidence... Why didn't he?
475 posted on 08/21/2002 12:21:06 PM PDT by marajade
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To: FreeTheHostages
Kinda quiet in here, isn't it?

Mind if I finish typing?

476 posted on 08/21/2002 12:21:08 PM PDT by Steve0113
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To: FresnoDA
Guilty on all counts...the killer has been so judged by a jury of his peers.

Fly with the angels Danielle and bless the van Dam family for the ordeal they have endured.

477 posted on 08/21/2002 12:21:32 PM PDT by hergus
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To: Palladin
Oh, BEHAVE! :o)
478 posted on 08/21/2002 12:21:50 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: jdontom
It is of those inclined to decieve or of a looser ethics who use the practise of making claims to hordes of others who agree with them. Are you among that class of waylayer? For your remark was such. Speak for yourself. If your words have any weight they need no imagination invoked legion of supporters.
479 posted on 08/21/2002 12:22:11 PM PDT by bvw
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To: FreeTheHostages
Sometimes, after reading how these death penalty appeals drag on for years, if not decades, I often think it might be better to give the guy life without parole and give the victim's family the millions that are being expended by the state in the appeal process, including the cost of the defense........but that's what the opponents of capital punishment want....to make a travesty of the process.....so, the game contines afoot..
480 posted on 08/21/2002 12:22:22 PM PDT by ken5050
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