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Lesbian mother and teens reach agreement over lifestyle (!Update to earlier story!)
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Posted on 08/20/2002 10:34:54 AM PDT by chance33_98


Lesbian mother and teens reach agreement over lifestyle

Kimla Green says she's willing to put aside her homosexuality in order to have her two girls come home. By Chris Adams ABC13 Eyewitness News (8/19/02) — It's a very private family drama that is now being played out in a very public way in court, with daughters against their mother.

This is a family torn apart by conflicts over homosexuality, the role of religion and the struggle to balance some very difficult facts of life.

Kimla Green walked into a family law courtroom Monday with one simple goal.

"I just want my kids back home right now," said teen girls' mother, Kimla Green.

Green acknowledges that she is sexually attracted to women and that she has brought women to the home she once shared with her two daughters, ages 16 and 17.

The family was before a judge Monday because the two teens asked the court to declare them independent because they object to their mother's gay lifestyle.

For now the girls are with their aunt. Their mother says it didn't have to come to this.

But the girl's attorney, John Breeze said, "Well, obviously there's always two sides to every story."

A Harris County judge transferred to the case Fort Bend County. But in the interim, the two sides appear to have struck a deal.

"We're hoping to have the court read our agreement or hear our agreement and say that it is in the best interest of the children and that will hopefully be the judgment," said the mother's attorney, Lee Jeronimo.

Green says the two girls have been unduly influenced and interfered with by the church they've been attending.

The new deal makes both Green and her daughters give up something.

"Well, my agreement is not to show any type of homosexual lifestyle in front of my kids or to do anything that makes them feel uncomfortable concerning the gay lifestyle. I agree to that as long as they agree not attend the Body of Christ Ministry because of all the brainwashing going on," said Green.

The agreement would reunite the family. It still needs to be approved by a Fort Bend County judge. Everyone's expected back in court there later this month.

The Body of Christ Ministry declined to comment about the case.


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To: Luis Gonzalez
"She was in church and the pastor announced from the pulpit that she was hell-bound."

Maybe the more theologically correct statement would be:

"She was in church and the pastor announced from the pulpit that she is hell-bound, and will end up there if she continues in her unbelief that Christ was provided as a propitiation for her sins, one of which is the practice of homosexuality.

21 posted on 08/20/2002 11:52:43 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: Green Knight
The Court had nothing to do with the agreement, if I read this right, the agreement is being worked out between the mother, and her daughters.
22 posted on 08/20/2002 11:53:47 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: chance33_98
Uh? So the kids cannot seek gentle sin confessing proselytism, but they must accept the mother's proselytism about gay lifestyle?
23 posted on 08/20/2002 11:55:29 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Sangamon Kid
Or the "pastor" could have sermonized about loving the sinner, and hating the sin. And taken the time to remind people that Judgement is the Lord's, and that only those among them free of sin, should cast stones.
24 posted on 08/20/2002 11:55:51 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Severa
"Shouldn't God be the one to judge these individuals?"

Well, I guess they'll have to flame me right along with you on this.

25 posted on 08/20/2002 11:58:14 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: L,TOWM
You know, some people in here will call what you're saying "blasphemy".

The rest of us call it making sense.
26 posted on 08/20/2002 12:01:02 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: BallandPowder
Yes, I want to know where that statement came from, too. With all the ignorant Christian-bashing that goes on in this country and on FR, it would be nice to know if this statement is even true.
27 posted on 08/20/2002 12:04:13 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Or the "pastor" could have...

You make it sound like an option. There is no option with what I stated above. It is the essence of the Gospel.

What you probably meant to say is: In addition, the pastor could have....

28 posted on 08/20/2002 12:05:24 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: wasp69
You should love the sinner for sure, but you can't condone what they do. IF the pastor said this from the pulpit, he was in error. You speak the truth in love, not damnation.
29 posted on 08/20/2002 12:05:48 PM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: Sangamon Kid
Well, I guess that's a matter of opinion between you and me.

You run with an unforgiving God, and I with a loving God.

And this is as far as our discussion of what YOU believe in, and what I believe in will go.

Have a nice day.
30 posted on 08/20/2002 12:08:12 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Which trumps which?

The ten commandments, one of which is Honor thy father and thy mother...etc
The teachings of Jesus
The teachings of Paul
The opinion of this preacher

(Not that I'm asking you, Luis, to answer this. I'm just raising the question here.)
31 posted on 08/20/2002 12:09:44 PM PDT by tangerine
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To: Severa
Shouldn't God be the one to judge these individuals?

No reason this can't be simple, if you're really wanting to know.

  1. He did, out loud and in public. "Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no ...homosexuals ...will inherit God's kingdom" (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10)
  2. That fact obligates believers to repeat what He has said, as a warning, if we've any love or concern in our hearts. "...because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin...; but his blood I will require at your hand" (Ezekiel 3:20)

Dan
How Can I Know God?

32 posted on 08/20/2002 12:13:07 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: Marysecretary
Hi. Click here for proof.

I'm a Christian, but I'm surprised at your incredulity. I've seen pastors say all kinds of stupid things from the pulpit.

33 posted on 08/20/2002 12:13:24 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You run with an unforgiving God, and I with a loving God.

Where did I disagree with what you posted? The Gospel is a 2 edged sword...it saves you to everlasting life or condemns you to eternal damnation. God is both merciful AND just, therfore both the salvation and damnation of God must be presented as part of the Gospel message. Any thing less is not the Gospel.

34 posted on 08/20/2002 12:15:55 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: All
"She was in church and the pastor announced from the pulpit that she was hell-bound."

Maybe the more theologically correct statement would be:

"She was in church and the pastor announced from the pulpit that she is hell-bound, and will end up there if she continues in her unbelief that Christ was provided as a propitiation for her sins, one of which is the practice of homosexuality.

This is the central theme that so many gay "bashers" on FR (that some on this thread are worried about) are saying. Right on! We have no way of knowing if the pastor simply pointed to the woman and said "you're going to hell", or if he said what Sangamon Kid quoted, that "You will go to hell if you don't change your ways". To a liberally biased reporter, those two things sound just the same, since homosexuality isn't a "choice", it's a "predisposition". (barffffffff) But to anyone who thinks about it, and knows the truth about homosexuality itself, the two statements are very different.

To me, homosexuality is very simple a social "ill" to correct: Let the homos do what they want, let them marry, let them have their benefits (but NOT "special rights"), let them practice their lifestyle anyway they CHOOSE, but the fact is clear, there is no way you can be both Christian and homosexual.

There is no way around I Cor 6:9-10.

35 posted on 08/20/2002 12:16:31 PM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: Marysecretary
IF the pastor said this ...

He said it.

36 posted on 08/20/2002 12:16:40 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: Luis Gonzalez
He may have done that. Please provide the exact quote he used.
37 posted on 08/20/2002 12:19:33 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: GraniteStateConservative
He said it.

Exact quote please.

38 posted on 08/20/2002 12:19:55 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: tangerine
Love trumps, and forgiveness.


His love, and His forgiveness.


16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

39 posted on 08/20/2002 12:21:28 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
>>>>>>some people in here will call what you're saying "blasphemy"<<<<<<

I know. I've dealt with them before.

But I don't believe that G-d had too many kind thoughts about my looking at porno, thieving, lying, drinking, and drugging before Christ's love embraced me, and accepted His priceless and awesome grace. I don't do those things any more, and I don't miss them one bit. That is a freeing from sin through the Holy Spirit.

My church takes the New Testament at its word; EVERYONE without Christ is doomed to 'wailing and gnashing of teeth'. I find no Biblical support for the idea that homos will be punished any more for their sins than hetros will be, except by the cleansing that Christ's blood makes possible.

It is a sad commentary on the state of most churches in our country; the mainline ones that don't mention the word "repentence", and the churches with solid doctrine that don't love the sinner at all. It is tragic that many homos find more 'love' in their local gay bar, than in the local church that makes a mockery of the 'Jesus Loves You' banner hanging in front of their building.

My church has both strong preaching, and more than a few members that have emerged from the homosexual deathstyle. Wonders are obvious in people embraced with G-d's Word, and filled with His power.
40 posted on 08/20/2002 12:23:22 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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