Posted on 08/20/2002 7:15:06 AM PDT by SheLion
(Insert theme music from The TwilightZone here.)
Can't talk sense to them anyway. Like two little teen-agers on Daddy's computer.
Talk tough! Someday, they too will be on the chopping block of Big Government. I'd love to see their tears then............
Self restraint was supplemented through restaurants and cafés being forbidden to sell cigarettes to women customers. Smoking was banned - for pupils and teachers alike - in many schools. Teachers were also expected to set an example to pupils outside of schools by not smoking. In July 1943, a law was passed forbidding tobacco use in public places by anyone under 18 years of age.
Transportation, workplaces, and public buildings became targets for smoking reduction campaigns. Thus it was considered criminal negligence if drivers were involved in accidents while smoking, and in 1944 smoking was banned on trains and buses. Aside from work-related antismoking propaganda, smoking was prohibited in many individual workplaces and public buildings, including government bureaus, hospitals, and rest homes.
The advertising of tobacco products also came under strict control. Advertisement could not give the impression that smoking had any :hygienic values". Furthermore, tobacco manufacturers could not "represent the use of tobacco as a sign of manliness, nor ridicule opponents of tobacco.
They may not make advertising appeal to women and those interested in sports, nor picture smokers at the wheel of automobiles.
In accord with much current health proclamation theory, there was considerable endorsement of the goal of smoking cessation from role models. Thus, Robert Ley, the leader of the German Labour Front, attested personally the benefits of non smoking. While many other influential figures joined this roster, the state performer in antismoking propaganda was Adolf Hitler. As one magazine put it: "brother national socialist, do you know that our Führer is against smoking and think that every German is responsible to the whole people for all his deeds and emissions, and does not have the right to damage his body with drugs?"
Actually what is sad is that supposedly intelligent people can not see the correlation between the propaganda perpetuated by the Third Reich with that which is being perpetuated by the highly paid anti-smoker industry.
Hitler and his minions created one of the first great propaganda machines against smokers and the anti-smoker industry is using the identical tactics. That is where the Hitlerian comparison becomes legitimate.
When one has friends in and/or controls the media (money talks......) a lie repeated often enough becomes fact.
The anti-smoker industry has hitler and his Ministry of Propaganda beat by a long shot.
Another thing I find deeply saddening is that so many supposed conservatives, who should be in favor of less government intrusion in personal and business life, promoting private property rights, and personal responsibility are so insistent that the government control the smoking of tobacco by adults.
If you don't like the smoking policy of an establish, patronize one who has a policy you prefer - or else OPEN YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS with your own money.
I'm not going to get into flame wars with anti-smokers posing as conservatives, but I will provide factual information that counters the propaganda they espouse.
The way I look at is that an answer must be provided to the propaganda, not for the sake of the person posting, that is generally futile, but for the sake of the average person (smoker or not) who is only aware of what is going on by the propaganda that is being force-fed to them through the media.
You and I, and a host of others here, have information that, while readily available, is not dissemmminated in the main stream media and so is generally missed by the everyday person.
That is why the propaganda must be continually refuted.
Remember - the people that continually spout the lies and half-truths are paid to do so - people like you and me, and Max McGarrity and Madame DuFarge, and Great Dane and Just another Joe, aren't.
We do this because we have seen the slippery slope and don't like and want others to be made aware of it.
I doubt I smoked a full pack in my entire life, and that in the Army standing around, waiting doing nothing.
Furthermore, my parents, massive chain smokers, would take us on 4 hour car rides with the AC that only did the front seat going.
That said, a persons body and liberty are the ultimate capital. I don't support the WOD. However if an employer has a contract with you, well it is up to you, you have no right to HIS job.
Lastly, I hate wimps. A little smoke gets in you eye, or your fat, nosepicking spawn starts coughing up whole wheat latte all over his Diesel jeans---too bad. If your're that weak & sickly, lets get Darwin going and make room and do me a favor by dying.
I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding employment.
And I definitely agree that the "state" has no right to my body nor what I do with it. Nor does the "state" have the right to my property.
I have a hard time understanding people who seek minimal government intrusion in their lives, yet when they have a problem going crying to the "state" to solve it, intead of using their God-given powers of reasoning to deal with it.
The "young" anti-smokers of today think this is all our health coalitions idea here in the States. However, it really started in Nazi Germany in 1943.
Almost word for word, and that is what really makes this scary.
Like this graphic:
And you are so right, Gabz. It's very frustrating. It's like hitting our heads against a brick wall with these people. To think that we not only have to fight the Anti-smokers, we have to fight our own kind in Free Republic. This is very depressing.
Driving a car on the sidewalk is illegal. Smoking is legal. It's a choice we make.
Would you call their efforts also Hitler like in an effort to have the product reach as many people as possible even though they know it causes cancer?
Big Tobacco sold us out! With the Attorney Generals. None of us have anything to do with Big Tobacco, but private citizens do have the right to speak out.
I look forward for the smoking ban to be put into effect in NYC.
Then you are even going against the wishes of our President, Mr. Conservative:
"The role of government is not to create wealth.
The role of government is to create an environment
in which the entrepreneur or small business or
dreamer can flourish. And that starts with rule of law,
respect of private property, less regulatory burdens on the
entrepreneur, open banking laws so that all people
have access to capital, and good tax policy."
President George W. Bush
St. Petersburg University,
St. Petersburg, Russia
May 25, 2002
Unless someone pinged you...... you weren't asked.
It is sad, but ban on smoking was excactly how Hitler started, and his people blindly followed him. Please note the lawyer who sued big tobacco, is the very same who is now suing the big 4 fast food outlets, where do you think it's going to stop. ?
Clearly you know NOTHING about me.
But it is apparent it is a craw for you, because you can not see the larger picture through the tunnel of your hatred of smoking.
I look forward for the smoking ban to be put into effect in NYC.
I look forward to New Yorkers waking up to reality and realizing the business owners are the ones who are having their rights stripped from them.
This has NOTHING to do with smoking and EVERYTHING to do with the property rights. Anyone who doesn't see it should be the one readjusting the tinfoil hats.
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