Lessons of Ruby Ridge (10 Years Later)

Scripps Howard News Service ^ | August 19, 2002 | Bill Straub

[Arthur McGowan]

There will always be arguments about the details of all these shootout incidents, but the video in "Waco: The Rules of Engagement," of the disgusting animals in their vans outside the Branch Davidian property in Waco is chilling--talking about shooting fellow American citizens as sport. I did not recognize these foul creatures as anything that I would call fellow Americans, or anything that I would want to be collecting a federal paycheck.

[wcbtinman]

I strongly question the veracity of this reporter and his information presented as factual.

I have spoken to Randy Weaver several times, and I have a lot of trouble believing that he actually said the words about shooting FBI agents in the back, that was attributed to him.

Also, Weaver went to ONE meeting of the Ayran Nation group and then would have nothing to do with them due to their philosophy. Weaver was/is a seperatist not a supremacist. Big difference.

The context of the selling of the sawed off shotguns is also not correct.

[Bommer]

The context of the selling of the sawed off shotguns is also not correct.

Really? I always thought that the sawed off shotgun was teh reason. Mine enlightening us as to what the real reason was?

[meenie]

Waco and Ruby Ridge will never be "paid for". We will be lucky if citizens don't see more killings in order for the government to establish more authority. The latest powers granted in the War on Terrorism enforce more arbitrary power to the authorities. I fear that if we go into a meltdown such as the Depression, these powers will be needed.

This could possibly be the reason these unconstitutional powers are being enacted. The test of a republic is the will for people to govern themselves. If not the republic goes and the man on the big White Horse rides in. With the apathy of the public and the lawlessness and disrespect for our laws, the conditions are favorable for a change of government.

[coloradan]

In October, after several conversations, Weaver sold Fadeley a pair of sawed-off shotguns for $300.

The informant badgered Weaver for nearly three years to make the guns. Weaver refused many times, but money started getting tight and he did the job. The above implies that Weaver made them soon after being requested to - not for someone he had known for years.

[MeekOneGOP]

[MeekOneGOP]

Folk hero

Randy Weaver, a former survivalist who wanted to separate from what he saw as a race-mixing nation and its predatory government, lost his wife and son at Ruby Ridge.

Asked about McVeigh's impending execution he was quoted in the Washington Post as saying: "There should be a bunch of federal agents lying right beside him on the gurney."

Randy Weaver: A folk hero to right-wing extremists

"He was a soldier's soldier," he says of McVeigh. He just switched sides. Tim McVeigh was trying to make a point. He was what you call pro bono. He was going to be judge, jury and executioner. No different from the federal government. One has a badge and one don't."

To the right-wing movement, Mr Weaver continues to be a folk hero, but to organisations that monitor militia groups, he is a fading figure in a waning movement.

To some, McVeigh will similarly appear as a martyr to his beliefs, orchestrating his own execution in an attempt to make it "his greatest moment" and embracing it as a "state-assisted suicide".

[agitator]

Don't forget that the shotgun barrels were only 1/4" too short for federal law.

[Poohbah]

"I would have put on my full camo," Weaver said, looking at his questioner, "and shoot them in the back. As many as I could."

Bravo Sierra Alert!

This sounds nothing like the man from anything I've read about him. Methinks Scripps Howard is trying to paint him as a dangerous right-wing loony.

[Jack of all Trades]

From what I remember, the Feds enticed him to saw off one or more shotguns to just under the legal limit. They were trying to acquire some leverage against him so that he might divulge some information. When he balked, they got pissed.

[wku man]

So what's your point?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Kermit]

"...while holed up in a crude cabin..."

How does one "hole up" in your own home? There was no "shootout". What is it about reporters, that they're so friggin' ignorant?

[Johnny Shear]

"I would have put on my full camo," Weaver said, looking at his questioner, "and shoot them in the back. As many as I could."

And many WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOKS on this site support this animal! Disgusting!

Here's a hint Randy...When you're served with a warrent, or simply asked to cooperate with authorities, DO IT! Maybe next time your family won't suffer because you think you live by different rules than the rest of us...IDIOT!

[supercat]

Don't forget that the shotgun barrels were only 1/4" too short for federal law.

Or that a layperson given the shotgun barrel and a tape measure would likely come up with a measurement greater than 18" [the BATF standard is that an 18" dowel must fit entirely within the barrel with the action closed. Since some shotguns have the bolt extend 1/4" or more into the barrel, such a barrel could be cut so that a layperson would measure it as 18.1" but the BATF measure it as 17.85". Since Weaver was acquitted of the shotgun charge, I would not be surprised if such definitional trickery was involved here.

[Johnny Shear]

"He was a soldier's soldier," he says of McVeigh. He just switched sides. Tim McVeigh was trying to make a point. He was what you call pro bono. He was going to be judge, jury and executioner. No different from the federal government. One has a badge and one don't."

Yeah...Let's praise this FREAK! Trying to make a point by KILLING BABIES???

The same people who praise this racist are the first one's to howl about "Nuking Mecca" when the disgusting Palistinians kill babies with suicide bombings.

I don't think this CRAP belongs on Free Republic. It ONLY makes us look like lunatics and racists. Take it to Stormfront.org where it BELONGS!

[Basil Duke]

Are you familiar with the controversy re: Weaver's court appearance date? He was given a specific date to appear in court on the shotgun charges. Law enforcement obtained an arrest warrant for him by telling a judge that Weaver's court date was actually a week BEFORE the true date and that Weaver had failed to appear. That's why the agents descended on his house - to arrest him for not appearing in court, when the actual court date hadn't even occurred. Just a minor matter to some, I suppose. But still, a fact nonetheless.

[an amused spectator]

You do realize that the Fibbies were going to helicopter a fuel oil tank above the house and dump it, then burn them all alive, don't you? The only thing that stopped the Waco test run was the neighbors who caught the Fibbies pulling this little stunt. They shouted and waved and generally let the Feds know that there were going to be witnesses to the cold-blooded massacre.

There's a lot you don't know about what the Fedzis do when they think no one is looking.

[southern rock]

DO IT! Maybe next time your family won't suffer because you think you live by different rules than the rest of us...IDIOT!

So you think his wife and son deserved to be killed by the Feds? Exactly what "rules" are you referring to that you feel Weaver wasn't living by?

The real IDIOT is the one who makes stupid statements.