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Al Qaeda Death Videos also contributed by affiliated groups in Bosnia, Chechnya
The New York Times ^ | Mon Aug 19, 3:15 PM ET | JUDITH MILLER

Posted on 08/19/2002 5:43:00 PM PDT by Destro

This is an excerpt of an item not much commented on in this story.

Qaeda Videos Seem to Show Chemical Tests

Mon Aug 19, 3:15 PM ET

By JUDITH MILLER The New York Times

The archive includes instruction tapes on bomb-making and on how to shoot surface-to-air weapons, as well as the first meeting of Osama bin Laden ( news - web sites) and other Qaeda leaders with foreign journalists in May 1998, and other tapes often violent contributed by affiliated groups in Bosnia, Chechnya ( news - web sites), Somalia, Sudan and elsewhere.

(Excerpt) Read more at story.news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; antiamericangreek; balkans; bannedfreeper; changingtitles; clintonisanass; greekterrorism; periclesisback
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To: Destro
I have a sudden urge to give you a high five and buy you a beer.
42 posted on 08/19/2002 9:30:33 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Tropoljac; Destro
what rough percentage was Al-Qaida a part of the overall foreign Islamic fighters?

IMO, they were the the teachers and officers. The KLA didn't rise from ashes.

43 posted on 08/19/2002 10:07:41 PM PDT by duckln
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To: Tropoljac
Ref your #11, please note, there's a line, and you're behind me.

If only we had some way of enforcing accountablilty upon people who simply spout whatever statements fit their worldview and then blunder off into the next thread when challenged...

44 posted on 08/19/2002 10:36:55 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; Tropoljac; duckln; My Favorite Headache; a_Turk
Is that the best you got in terms of rebuttal? To deflect from the article and start posting about the Greeks? I could give a fig about them. So you insult and try and say I am those other blokes to get me banned? Cowards and wankers.

What you avoid is the Bosnian al-Qaida link. On Monday's PBS Newshour broadcast the author of this very article described the Bosnian and Chechen tapes and said that the contents were so shocking, so disturbing that they would probably never be aired.

Tropoljac wants the world to forget Croatia's role as a middle man in al-Qaida's access into Bosnia. The Stars and Stripes article makes him go ape.

Tropo still has yet to post where I said these things he claims I have. What my opinion can be read in my first commentary to the post.

I am a proud member of the Celtic Orthodox revival church.

45 posted on 08/19/2002 11:47:42 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
What you avoid is the Bosnian al-Qaida link. On Monday's PBS Newshour broadcast the author of this very article described the Bosnian and Chechen tapes and said that the contents were so shocking, so disturbing that they would probably never be aired.

As stated previously, you reference material with which you are not familiar.

To wit, put the actual quote from the Newshour program:

JUDITH MILLER: Well, that was the amazing part is that this carefully cataloged material included large amounts of tape that had been sent in from al-Qaida want-to-be's, these affiliated organizations that were carrying on their own jihads in Kashmir, in Sudan, Somalia - there were contributions from all over the world. They wanted to be included in this al-Qaida connection, and I think some of the most stomach churning and difficult material I saw came from Chechnya and Bosnia where the Jihadis were engaged in civil strife against the Russians, and some of that may in fact be too difficult for CNN to broadcast.

together with the FBI report you so ignorantly misrepresented earlier

Although Al-Qaeda functions independently of other terrorist organizations, it also functions through some of the terrorist organizations that operate under its umbrella or with its support, including: the Al-Jihad, the Al-Gamma Al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group - led by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and later by Ahmed Refai Taha, a/k/a "Abu Yasser al Masri,"), Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and a number of jihad groups in other countries, including the Sudan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bosnia, Croatia, Albania, Algeria, Tunisia, Lebanon, the Philippines, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, the Kashmiri region of India, and the Chechen region of Russia.

and and then explain to us how you can continue to make your claims of Al Quaeda being in Bosnia.

They were wanna-be's in Bosnia - just like you're a "Washington influence" wanna be here.

And save the fig comment for someone who hasn't seen you grappling with other posters over Macedonia and it's place in history - not everybody suffers from a short attention span or faulty memory as you do.

46 posted on 08/20/2002 12:24:37 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; Tropoljac; *balkans
Did I not paraphrase Ms. Miller correctly? Thank you for proving my point! They wanted to be included in this al-Qaida connection, and I think some of the most stomach churning and difficult material I saw came from Chechnya and Bosnia where the Jihadis were engaged in civil strife against the Russians, and some of that may in fact be too difficult for CNN to broadcast.

Everytime you post you prove my point. Serb and Russian victims of Bosnian and Chechen Muslim fighters who were tortured to death as snuff film trophies for al-Qaida.

Thanks for the FBI confirmation that Al-Qaeda functions through some of the terrorist organizations that operate under its umbrella or with its support, including Albania, Bosnia Chechnya and Croatia.

How many Muslims live in Catholic Croatia?

47 posted on 08/20/2002 10:07:36 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Tropoljac
Tell it to the FBI.
51 posted on 08/20/2002 10:57:43 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Tropoljac
The Croatians did fight the Muslims at first, until they made nicey nice with them and allied them selvese to the jihadis.
53 posted on 08/20/2002 11:50:44 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro; crazykatz
I think some of the most stomach churning and difficult material I saw came from Chechnya and Bosnia where the Jihadis were engaged in civil strife against the Russians, and some of that may in fact be too difficult for CNN to broadcast.

Notice how they leave out "and Serbs" after "Russians". I doubt the footage of atrocities committed in Bosnia hardly involves Russian victims (if any), but is mainly of Serbs.

Just ask crazykatz - she saw a video of Serbs being killed when she was at a Bosnian Muslim's residence in the U.S.

55 posted on 08/20/2002 2:27:12 PM PDT by joan
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To: Tropoljac
"Wrong Joan, the bulk of the fighting against the Mujahadeen was done by the HVO Bosnian Croats."

Maybe the fighting, but I think the Mujahadeen probably killed more civilian Serbs in undefended towns and those Serbs within Muslim population centers. Also, the Bosnian Muslims had many Serbs in prisons/secret prisons, and Mujahadeen participated in the tortures and killings. Just as the Sandzak Muslims were allowed to visit these places - like the Silo at Tarcin - and beat the Serbs, the Mujahadeen did likewise.

Besides, there is photographic evidence of their crimes against Serbs on the net - the three headless Serbian POWs, for example.

57 posted on 08/20/2002 3:43:09 PM PDT by joan
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To: Tropoljac; smokegenerator; crazykatz
smokegenerator mentions a classroom of Serbian children killed and then their heads were put on desks. I believe he said it was in a UN protected area - do UN protected areas fall within those two towns you mentioned that Serbs were killed? Because, if not, then your information is not comprehensive.

Also, the videos of those tortured in Bosnia - the ones so upsetting the reporters that they refuse to air them - those would more likely be of captives than fighting scenes. Fighting scenes would much more likely be of quicker kills, and not the graphic torture with a camera set up.

crazykatz, didn't you say specifically that those you saw being killed by the Muslims in Bosnia were "young Serbs"? Would you say they were prisoners or captives being killed or those dying on a battlefield of sorts? Were they indoors or outside, and how were they being killed?

59 posted on 08/20/2002 4:22:02 PM PDT by joan
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To: Destro
But Destro, Miller's statement undercuts your arguments about Bosnia being an Al-Quaeda base, and certainly puts a dent in your pet "9-11 was planned in Bosnia" theory.

This is all too much for you to comprehend, isn't it?

60 posted on 08/20/2002 4:55:49 PM PDT by Hoplite
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