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To: Harrison Bergeron
It is important that we know what you said en toto

To emulate Carville and Begala for their enthusiasm is fine. Carefully studying them as opponents is necessary. But to say we have something positive in the way of "tactics" to learn from such dissembling Marxist demagogues stretches the bounds of credibility. The only salient tactic that they display was likely learned, as most FReepers have already concluded, by studying Goebbels and Geuring - repeat a lie until it becomes accepted as truth. These men do not serve at the pleasure of a left leaning media because of any ingenious tactics or brilliant insight.

Because therein lies the rub. You contradicted yourself about Carville and Begala from the first sentence and the last. Why study them and their enthusiasm if they have no "ingenious tactics or brilliant insight"?

As for my comment about Hitler and Naziism, I merely took issue with your statement about Guering, deriving from it that you think historical figures like Guering, Hitler, and Mussolini (sp?) (evil leftists) have in no way a tactic or ability that we could use to promote our moral political stances. We, as conservatives, obviously don't want the same outcomes as these moral monsters, but their ability to sway millions should not be overlooked. It is the same for Carville, Begala, Clinton x 2, Gore, Gephardt, Lieberman, Daschle, et al.

255 posted on 08/20/2002 8:27:08 AM PDT by RedWing9
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Does it surprise you in the least that we are looking to the slogans and agit-prop of fascists, national socialists and communists for "sending a message" these days?

Not that we haven't been doing it for years, of course, but it is interesting watching everyone embrace the idea as a "winner".

258 posted on 08/20/2002 8:32:11 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: RedWing9; strela
"Why study them and their enthusiasm if they have no "ingenious tactics or brilliant insight"? "

One word: Defense.

They are professional propagandists, not brilliant politicians. That we are forgetting this is another reason for that fear I mentioned. Anyone can use repetition to get a message out, but it's a training tool, not a reasoning tool - it works equally on pigs, dogs, and humans. When it gets into the wrong hands as a political tool, and it always does - we have fascism. But, like socialism, I guess it just hasn't been tried by the righ people yet, right?

266 posted on 08/20/2002 8:44:27 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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