A clear and present danger: Ashcroft scheme simply chilling

HoustonChronicle.com ^ | Aug. 16, 2002, 7:49PM | Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C.

[BellStar]

This is another in a series of Seditionist have rights too?

The left bleeds rivers of blood for Esam hamdi who
like me, was born in a country not of his heritage but
one of the place his parents happened to be.

I was born in Japan where my father an Army Lieutenant
was stationed along with his Army bride from Texas and
son my brother. I was moved back to Texas while I was still a toddler.
I am an American! Japan recognizes me as a Japanese citizen also!
Would I take up arms against Japan in the event it attacked the US?
You bet I would! Esam hamdi is about as much an American as I'm Japanese!
Ashcroft scheme is a Solomon like decision made with all the facts which were
conveniently left out of Turley's Op Ed !

[Allegra]

Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C.

Pretty much says it all.

My youngest sister was also born overseas as a military brat. She would never side with Italy if it should come to that. :)

[RJCogburn]

Ashcroft remains a sanctimonious fraud and a dangerous man.

[BellStar]

This little fact was not in his article, Esam hamdi left the US when he was two.

[ECM]

Speaking of dual-citizens: I'm a citizen of the USA and Ireland (via my mother being born there) but my loyalty lay in one place.

On a related note, this article was published on another message board I frequent and, not surprisingly, there it was treated as a NEWS story by the knee-jerk liberals. When confronted, ratinoally, about the fact that it was an EDITORIAL they, of course, resorted to calling me a Nazi for taking a side opposite the one expressed in this hit piece...that makes my racist/Nazi count up somewhere around 17 on the various boards I post to...sad.

[Whilom]

Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C.

And also a Leftist stooge determined to prevent America from defending itself from terrorists.

[El Sordo]

Will you say the same when President H Rodham starts interning gun owners, tax protesters and members of the pro-life movement?

Whatever powers this new Imperial administration decides to grant itself will carry over to the next administration. Someday, the Democrats will be back in the Whitehouse and you better be ready for how they'll use the power.

Imagine if X42 had this ability, what do you suspect he might have done with it?

[BellStar]

Yes!

[donozark]

And the best Governor the state of Missouri EVER had!

[RJCogburn]

Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C.

Pretty much says it all.

I don't quite get it. When Turley was all over Clinton's case a lot of FReepers thought he was just dandy. Now, because some don't agree with this point of view, he is just a leftist loser.

It makes a whole lot more sense, IMO, to discuss the message, argue against it if you will, rather than just use ad hominem criticism which seems to me the lazy way and convinces nobody who does not already agree.

[bruoz]

"Ashcroft remains a sanctimonious fraud and a dangerous man."

You left out that he is a deeply religious, patriotic American.

[Allegra]

Ashcroft remains a sanctimonious fraud and a dangerous man.

But of course, this is not just an ad hominem criticism. Read between the lines and you'll see all of the arguments and rationale. ROFL!

[JediGirl]

You left out that he is a deeply religious, patriotic American.

You're right. That definitely excuses the crap he's pulling right now. All Hail Ashcroft! How do you define patriotic anyway? Someone who's willing to strip away the rights of Americans in the name of security?

[AaronAnderson]

As as symbol of democracy and liberty, we should not hold anyone, citizen or not, without due process. How can we claim that democracy is the greatest form of government when we show it in action by using taliban like tactics such as suspending all the rights of a person and arbitrarly holding them for as long as the government sees fit? If these clowns have done something wrong, then charge them and give them a fair trial. Show the world that despite horrible hardship and in difficult times, we still believe in the bill or rights and liberty. That is democracy, that is the law that ashcroft swore he would enforce, not change to his will.

[angkor]

The Justice Department has insisted that the judge must simply accept its declaration and cannot interfere with the president's absolute authority in "a time of war."

Presumably Turley put "time of war" in quotes because that's what DoJ argued.

If so, they are wrong.

There is no state of war, there has been no Congressional declaration of war, and the United States is not formally at war with anyone.

Congress can legally declare war against "al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbolla, Lakshar-al-Jihad, Islamic Jihad, Osama bin Laden, and its members" as easily as it did against Japan. Why Congress has not done this is a mystery.

[j271]

Any attempt to create the foundation for a parallel "terrorists-only" judicial system is a threat to the freedom of all Americans, IMO.

[ctdonath2]

Question is how to draw the line dividing un-uniformed enemy combatants from citizens?

[ctdonath2]

Good and key point: despite events and rhetoric, war has not been declared.

[Bigg Red]

Very interesting:

At post #3, RJCogburn says

Ashcroft remains a sanctimonious fraud and a dangerous man.

But, then at #10, he says

It makes a whole lot more sense, IMO, to discuss the message, argue against it if you will, rather than just use ad hominem criticism which seems to me the lazy way and convinces nobody who does not already agree.
*****
Did I miss something, RJ, or is it just that you are the only one who carries a license for launching ad hominem attacks?

[Stavka2]

You look at the trees and miss the forest. Guess who else used similar arguements? Hitler against the Jews, questioning their loyalty to Germany as a whole and using the people's fear of the Bolshaviks to garner greater power. Face facts, the big US problem here is that unlike most countries it does not have a history of a brutal dictatorship and thus does not recognize the symptoms of one coming on. To bad for your kids, they just might get to experience one.