CNN Shows Video of Chained Dog Being Gassed in Al-Quaeda Experiment

CNN's Late Edition ^ | 18 August 2002 | self

[SkyPilot]

CNN's LATE EDITION opened with never before seen captured video taken by agents of Osama Bin Laden that showed a chained up white dog being gassed with a nerve agent.

They reported this was the first time these tapes have ever been seen.

Discussion also on the Sunday Talk Thread.

[Pearls Before Swine]

The level of sophistication shown in the video regarding chemical weapons is deemed astounding by experts. I heard on a CNN preview segment that there were differences of opinion as to whether the gas was a nerve gas or cyanide. Cyanide is easily made, but only a reliable weapon in an enclosed environment (like an office building). There have been previous reports of animal experiments in camps by Al-Qaeda with cyanide.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

I'd be worried. This sounds pretty bad.

[JediGirl]

We'll see what PETA really cares about now.

I highly doubt they'll have any mention of it on their site or by their members.

[Prodigal Son]

The cynic in me comes out when thinking that CNN will make the tie that Al-Quaeda obtained this chemical agent from Iraq, thus accusing both Bush administrations of being complicit in this.

Still, how does Bush have a connection to Saddam giving al Qaeda nerve gas? If anything, it seems to me this would strengthen the case to go after Saddam.

[TheBattman]

Is the video online anywhere? I don't have cable or satelite, so no Communist News Network.

[SkyPilot]

Is the video online anywhere?

Not yet, but give it about 2 hours....I suppose. Hell, I refused to believe they had the Daniel Pearl video on the net until I saw that nightmare with my own eyes.

[debg]

From Friday, November 16, 2001 issue.

Al-Qaeda:

A journalist with the London Times found instructions for producing ricin, one of the most toxic biological agents on earth, in an abandoned al-Qaeda house in Kabul yesterday.  The documents described the necessary doses for killing adults and children, the effects of the poison on a dying victim and the necessary equipment for working with the poison, such as wearing gloves and a face mask.

The journalist also discovered dummy bombs, propaganda papers, syringes, pills, other laboratory equipment and instructions for making explosives and detonation devices.

The house was looted after the Taliban and members of the al-Qaeda terrorist network fled Kabul earlier this week.  The Times reported that two Arab doctors who worked in the house were beaten and killed as they tried to escape Monday night (Loyd/Fletcher, London Times, Nov. 16). 

The Washington Post said a German man who had converted to Islam and an Arab man of unknown nationality who lived in an al-Qaeda house were either beaten to death by an anti-Taliban mob Tuesday or killed themselves before the mob could reach them. The Post reported that a house abandoned by al-Qaeda members—it was unclear whether the house was the same as the one where ricin plans were found—contained military equipment, including detonators, hand grenades, dynamite and chemical compounds, as well as instructions for making bombs and fake travel documents.  Al-Qaeda members also left behind instructions for producing a “chemical poison” using sodium or potassium cyanide (William Branigin, Washington Post, Nov. 16).

Ahmed Ressam, a former al-Qaeda member arrested at the U.S. border in 1999, has told authorities his training at a camp in Afghanistan included instruction on placing cyanide gas near the air intake vents of buildings.  An al-Qaeda instructor once put a dog in a box and poured cyanide and sulfuric acid in the box, and it took the dog about four minutes to die, Ressam told a court in July, saying, “We wanted to know what is the effect of the gas” (Dobbs/Behr, Washington Post, Nov. 16).

 

[Madcelt]

never seen by the public you mean.

[CJinVA]

I don't think the United States ever gave Iraq any chemical weapons.

I think this is part of the "Build the case to go after Saddam" that some people keep whining about.

[DKM]

You are correct, there is no hard tie.

Since when has that stopped the media from trying to disparrage GWB for every foible that occurs?

The media, NYT specifically, is running with this "Reagan/Bush Knew" type story that Saddam had/used gas agent capabilities and Reagan/Bush did nothing to stop it.

Factual basis in my musings........not really. Just thinking outloud.

[maquiladora]

I saw this too.

CNN have obtained some videos from Afghanistan and they managed to get them out.

I think there's goning to be a whole TV show in the coming days showing the tapes in full, called "Terror On Tape" or something.

Anyone got times?

[maquiladora]

They were testing the gas on the dog.

[lexington minuteman 1775]

Nah, Peta won't care they to busy now trying to outlaw trout fishermen!

[Grampa Dave]

Fluffy, the Saber Gummed House Cat says, "So what's all this concern about a damn dog? I can't wait for the re run!"

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Don't blame me! I love dogs and don't like cats. Blame Fluffy!

[Dog]

Amazing video...

A preview will be on 10pm eastern tonight they said..

[Colonel Jim]

I CANT FIND THE VIDIO, WHERE IS IT?

[Dog]

CNN will show it again....tomorrow.

[VOA]

CNN's LATE EDITION opened with never before seen captured video taken by agents of
Osama Bin Laden that showed a chained up white dog being gassed with a nerve agent. 

I'll presume CNN is technically correct...
IIRC, I guess I must have seen just a short clip of a dog that was about to be
subjected to these "test runs".
I'm pretty sure I saw this somewhere in the tsunami of reportage following 9-11.

Even if CNN is just showing this for ratings, I applaud the move.
There are lots of people who will be more disturbed to see a dog killed by a chemical/biological
agent that a nameless human.
I (sadly) admit that might be my initial response...I was disturbed once to see
a quaking and dying rabbit in a film clip from a Cold War-era test of
a nerve poison that aired in a documentary by one of our major TV channels some years ago.

If CNN actually had any sort of moral or patriotic compass, they'd at least run a
caption with this clip that would say something like:
"Disturbed by seeing a dog dying? Think about your friends and loved ones undergoing
the same hideous death. Or the Kurds gassed by Sadaam. Of the next people
to be gassed by Sadaam. It could be you."

[Travis McGee]

I wonder when (or if) we will ever see archived film footage of Japanese chem/bio tests on actual living human POWs? Or similar Soviet tests?

[archy]

Maybe this video will have the unintended effect of giving the Bush administration the justification it needs to go after any organization (or country) that possesses these weapons.

To include the U.S. researchers at Pine Bluff Arsenal in Arkansas who also performed chemical weapons exposure tests on lab animals, including the use of mustard gas and other blister agents on dogs and monkeys? Don't bet on seeing the films and videotapes of those US experiments being run by the networks....