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No Posse Can Stop Them
LFET ^ | George F. Smith

Posted on 08/16/2002 6:17:36 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

No Posse Can Stop Them

The Posse Comitatus Act

by George F. Smith

The Bush administration tells us they might change the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act (PCA), which forbids the military from engaging in domestic law enforcement. They don't want their hands tied if they have to defend the country against a terrorist attack, they explain, and the PCA might get in their way. This is part of their ongoing policy of "putting everything on the table" that might conceivably help eradicate terrorism. In the hunt for the world's evil-doers, they don't want to come up short on power.

It's almost touching the way PCA is being discussed in the media, as if we were actually a country under the rule of law. Thus, we hear Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, say, "I don't fear looking at [PCA] to see whether . . . our military can be more helpful." [1] Another defender of the Constitution, Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., tells us: "I think it is time to revisit it. . . . Let's say you had word that there was something going on in one of the tunnels in Amtrak . . . Right now, when you call in the military, the military would not be allowed to shoot to kill . . ." [2]

Shooting to kill something going on in an Amtrak tunnel . . . or maybe a shopping mall . . . or your living room. I'm sure if Biden had flopped as an American politician he would make the cut in any number of banana republics.

Freedom-loving people have always been distrustful of the military, and our colonists were no exception. The troops that King George III garrisoned here in 1763 after he kicked the French out were a major grievance with Americans, and not just because they were taxed to pay for them. The signers of the Declaration of Independence specifically attacked military independence from civilian control, a standing army in time of peace, and the quartering of troops in private homes. The Washington University Law Quarterly in 1997 notes that fear "of a standing army helped to motivate the enactment of the Bill of Rights . . ." [3]

But the lessons learned slipped from memory. Under the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, federal marshals were empowered to use the military to help return a slave to his owner. The marshals went beyond the letter of the law, frequently calling out the army to control hostilities between pro-and anti-slave forces.

During Reconstruction, the military became the enforcers of the North's political agenda for the South, a situation that fomented massive injustice, corruption, and crime, and led to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan. The election of 1876, in which Republican Rutherford B. Hayes defeated Samuel J. Tilden by a single electoral vote, turned on Grant's imposition of the military. Hayes won the disputed votes of South Carolina, Louisiana, and Florida after Grant had sent troops to those states for use at the polls, if needed. "This misuse of the military in an election—the most central event to a democracy (sic)—led Congress to enact the PCA in 1878." [4]

Several points leap out from the current PCA talk, besides the monotonous lie about the government acting in our self-interest. First, in discussing the merits of changing the PCA, government is trying to give the impression they operate under written law. Second, making this discussion public means it is not a critical issue to them.

The federal government is no longer restrained by law. It can circumvent any legal barrier. The only force keeping officials in line is fear of losing office. Washington has instituted corruption, plunder, waste, and war on the American people — while claiming to be our public servants. It is no longer a joke to say politicians are crooks. With all the power they wield, they're a threat to human life.

Sure, we've got our Bill of Rights, much like an infant has its pacifier. And just as a pacifier lacks any reality behind it, so too are the first Ten Amendments losing their meaning. Politicians tell us the times call for a re-evaluation of our cherished sovereignties. They assure us we need the Patriot Act, TIPS, national ID cards, unarmed pilots, disarmed citizens, a massive new federal bureaucracy, and federalized screeners frisking grandmothers to root out the terrorists among us. And now, possibly, a revamping of PCA, just in case grandma is caught smuggling her atom bomb and has to be neutralized.

The central government of the United States dominates every other political body. If it violates the Constitution, who's going to punish it? Not the states. As checks on the power of federal encroachment, states rights died at Appomattox. Certainly not the vast majority of American voters. If polls are at all accurate, Americans believe our government needs to be even bigger.

The PCA discussion is a sham, a sideshow intended to deceive the public into believing we have statesmen in office who respect the rule of law. Whether PCA gets changed is immaterial. The commander-in-chief has the unconstitutional but uncontested power to issue executive orders, which makes him a one-man legislative body. All he needs is the right crisis, and the PCA or any other law can mean whatever he dictates.

Since 1935 presidents, at their discretion, have published executive orders in the Federal Register. Some decisions never reach the Register and are implemented informally as orders to subordinates, or "memoranda," thereby staying hidden from public view. [5] What is known for sure is that a president exercising this power is ruling by fiat, not law.

Our government has assured us we will be hit a second time. For once they're right — we've already taken a second hit. Bin Laden doesn't have to dive bomb our nuclear plants or poison our water. He's done something infinitely more effective: he's sicced our government on us. The Feds will finish the job he started, while most of the country cheers them on.


References

1. Will Military Enforce Domestic Law? Joseph D'Agostino, http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28433

2. Ibid.

3. The Posse Comitatus Act: A Principle in Need of Renewal, Washington University Law Quarterly, Summer, 1997, Vol. 75., No. 2, http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/75-2/752-10.html#fn37

4. Ibid.

5. Execuitve Orders and National Emergencies: How presidents have come to "run the country" by usurping legislative power, Policy Analysis No. 358, October 28, 1999, Cato Institute, Washington, D.C.


George F. Smith is a freelance writer. His other articles may be found in the Writer Index.



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1 posted on 08/16/2002 6:17:36 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Victoria Delsoul; tpaine; OWK; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Mercuria; MadameAxe; redrock; Sabertooth; ...
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2 posted on 08/16/2002 6:18:26 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
If the military suddenly loses its mind and turns on the American people, that is the day all hell brakes loose.

I don't see it happening.

However, if the American people accept the idea and we start seeing military all over the place, what is there to stop some overzealous soldiers from harassing or accidentally/purposefully harming the wrong people?
3 posted on 08/16/2002 6:43:47 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: Sir Gawain

If the terrorists hate us for our freedoms….
The simple solution is to take our freedoms away

4 posted on 08/16/2002 6:47:25 PM PDT by Suzie_Cue
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To: Sir Gawain
"I'm sure if Biden had flopped as an American politician he would make the cut in any number of banana republics."

LOL
5 posted on 08/16/2002 6:50:27 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: Liberty Teeth
This is a thread that needs a poll.
6 posted on 08/16/2002 6:50:54 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: Sir Gawain; Poohbah
'Poohbah' and I had a little discussion on this very subject just the other night. - I contend that american GI's would NOT fight a sustained 'war on terror' against their own countrymen. --

We are, - essentially -, a nation of rebels, and would not obey unconstitutional orders, when the political crap hit the fan. -- Our 'discussion' ran from approx post #510 to #550, here.

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7 posted on 08/16/2002 6:51:45 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Liberty Teeth
However, if the American people accept the idea and we start seeing military all over the place, what is there to stop some overzealous soldiers from harassing or accidentally/purposefully harming the wrong people?

The Uniform Code of Military Justice. Unlike police, the military does not have civil service protection, and commanders are not enthusiastic about "overzealous" soldiers acting outside of clearly delineated boundaries.

A cort-martial is the court you want to be in front of if you are innocent, but the one you don't want to go anywhere near if you're guilty.

8 posted on 08/16/2002 7:02:40 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
I agree I trust the military more than the police.
9 posted on 08/16/2002 7:04:14 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Sir Gawain; Poohbah
Im actually with RINO Bush on this one. A) the military would be fairer than civilian police and probably better at stopping street crime. B) The type of people who enter the military aren't as authoritarian in nature as police and if the government tried to use the military to abuse people there would be a coup, resulting in the destruction of our current corrupt government and the end of the abomination of Democracy( which our founders never intended but we are more like a true Democracy now) followed by a true conservative military government given the overwhelming number of conservatives in the officier corp.
10 posted on 08/16/2002 7:08:39 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
Bump for later
11 posted on 08/16/2002 7:08:55 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: tpaine
'Poohbah' and I had a little discussion on this very subject just the other night. - I contend that american GI's would NOT fight a sustained 'war on terror' against their own countrymen.

Unless, of course, the rabid ideologues insisted on fighting one. However, you didn't use the word "extended." Adding that qualifer, I quite agree with you--it would not take very long for any such war to be wound up, as the number of people who are both stupid and crazy enough to start it is very low.

Any gathering of them sufficient in numbers and training to require a military detachment (as opposed to law enforcement) to deal with them would probably represent a significant total of their operational forces, and would effectively end the military phase of the campaign.

12 posted on 08/16/2002 7:11:00 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: weikel
"The type of people who enter the military aren't as authoritarian in nature as police"

Wouldn't it be a mixture of law enforcement and military monitored by the feds?

That seems like a cocktail for disaster - and I am not talking about an attack but the potential for error and misjudgement could prove costly. We can't afford anything else that could potentially divide us further.

Again, this is speculation and opinion.
13 posted on 08/16/2002 7:13:15 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: weikel
Im actually with RINO Bush on this one. A) the military would be fairer than civilian police and probably better at stopping street crime.

I am opposed to using military for purely law enforcement missions. They are there to fight and win battles.

If a battle comes on American soil, so be it. I want the military able to fight and win.

B) The type of people who enter the military aren't as authoritarian in nature as police and if the government tried to use the military to abuse people there would be a coup, resulting in the destruction of our current corrupt government and the end of the abomination of Democracy( which our founders never intended but we are more like a true Democracy now) followed by a true conservative military government given the overwhelming number of conservatives in the officier corp.

In that estimate, you are quite incorrect. A military coup would involve such a drastic change from all previous military behavior in this country's history and the Constitution that you would not be able to characterize the ensuing government as "conservative."

14 posted on 08/16/2002 7:16:44 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Okay perhaps I should say reactionary.
15 posted on 08/16/2002 7:17:51 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
Okay perhaps I should say reactionary.

That's probably not a great choice, but it is close enough, I suppose.

Basically, we would have an authoritarian form of government that lacked even the tiniest shred of legitimacy--which means that any dissent, be it left-wing or right-wing in origin, would be met with detention camps and death squads.

I, for one, do not relish the idea of having to be Noam Chomsky's cellmate.

16 posted on 08/16/2002 7:21:00 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
For the 1st few years yes the opponents would be treated harshly but it would hopefully run along the lines of Pinochet in Chile. After all their opponents( mainly on the extreme left and people on the dole I don't think opponents on the right would be treated as harshly) had been crushed things would relax. Small price to pay for an end to socialism.
17 posted on 08/16/2002 7:24:38 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
For the 1st few years yes the opponents would be treated harshly but it would hopefully run along the lines of Pinochet in Chile.

Yup--disappearing anyone who gets in their way for 10-15 years, assassinating enemies in foreign capitols...great thing to hope for.

After all their opponents( mainly on the extreme left and people on the dole I don't think opponents on the right would be treated as harshly) had been crushed things would relax.

You just keep whistling past that graveyard, sonny. Anyone who takes the Constitution seriously would be a mortal threat to a military junta in this country--hell, even more of a threat than the leftists would be.

Small price to pay for an end to socialism.

Would you still say that from inside a prison camp, awaiting your turn in front of the firing squad?

18 posted on 08/16/2002 7:31:41 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Sir Gawain
In Israel they have soldiers all over the place. Terrorists kill people almost every day in Israel.
19 posted on 08/16/2002 7:33:25 PM PDT by RedwM
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To: Poohbah
Take Pinochet he saved Chile from socialism early on he came down on his opponents on the left hard but as the threat of the commies trying anything dissapeared things relaxed and Chile became a true free market economy.
20 posted on 08/16/2002 7:33:52 PM PDT by weikel
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