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To: ProudAmerican2
I hope you realize that OBL is a very wealthy man and the 9/11 attacks cost very little money.

So therefore these guys would turn down all money from all other sources. Riiiight. Got it.

OBL did not need Iraqi financial or technical support.

If by "OBL" you mean Foundation terrorists, then you might be correct. It may be true that they "did not need" Iraqi support.

However, it may also be true that they sought and/or obtained such support regardless. Both things can be true at the same time; you don't seem to realize this. (Bill Gates "doesn't need" money, but he still seeks it. Or do you also think this isn't true, because "Why would Bill Gates try to get more money, he doesn't need any"?) In particular, we have evidence of a link, which you still haven't said Thing One to discredit: CZECH INTELLIGENCE SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING. By contrast, we have no evidence whatsoever of your whole "they didn't need any money and would therefore refuse all money and help from anyone besides OBL" theory, because it's all based on a mental model of terrorists which exists inside your own head, projected out into the real world. Terrorists behave exactly the way you imagine they behave, yup, they sure do. And if you Can't Think Of a reason for them to have met with an Iraqi agent, why, then it must not have happened at all! Reality depends on your ability to understand it!

Just keep telling yourself that. Ta-ta,

307 posted on 08/19/2002 12:02:36 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
I really hope W can "put it all together" for the People in a rousing speach. But no one should kid themselves about the real dangers if we do go in to commit war on Iraq. The possibility of a rapidly widening (and perhaps nuclear) war are great and the likelihood that we will have Saddam's head on a pike are pretty low. Sometimes doing what needs to be done includes tempting the Fates.
308 posted on 08/19/2002 12:49:50 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: Dr. Frank
However, it may also be true that they sought and/or obtained such support regardless. Both things can be true at the same time; you don't seem to realize this.

If you are going to present a compelling argument that the Iraqi government supported the 9/11 attack, then you are going to have to do more than argue that Atta met with an Iraqi government agent. The Bush administration is going to have to present evidence of fund transfers from the Iraqi government to Al Queda.

In particular, we have evidence of a link, which you still haven't said Thing One to discredit: CZECH INTELLIGENCE SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING.

Because a meeting between Atta and an Iraqi government official could have taken place. I can not prove or disprove that assertion.

By contrast, we have no evidence whatsoever of your whole "they didn't need any money and would therefore refuse all money and help from anyone besides OBL" theory, because it's all based on a mental model of terrorists which exists inside your own head, projected out into the real world. Terrorists behave exactly the way you imagine they behave, yup, they sure do. And if you Can't Think Of a reason for them to have met with an Iraqi agent, why, then it must not have happened at all! Reality depends on your ability to understand it!

I have studied terorrist groups extensively. Terrorist groups are extremely secretive about their plans. In fact, terrorist groups are usually divided into cells, with one cell completely ignorant of the operations planned by other cells (i.e., Leaderless Resistance strategy). With this strategy, penetrating one cell does not put the entire organization or leaders at risk. Most analysts believe that only the terrorists that piloted the planes knew the entire plan. This is not a "mental model of terrorists" that exists only in my head. This is how terrorist groups act.

309 posted on 08/19/2002 4:59:51 AM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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