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To: Dr. Frank
However, it may also be true that they sought and/or obtained such support regardless. Both things can be true at the same time; you don't seem to realize this.

If you are going to present a compelling argument that the Iraqi government supported the 9/11 attack, then you are going to have to do more than argue that Atta met with an Iraqi government agent. The Bush administration is going to have to present evidence of fund transfers from the Iraqi government to Al Queda.

In particular, we have evidence of a link, which you still haven't said Thing One to discredit: CZECH INTELLIGENCE SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING.

Because a meeting between Atta and an Iraqi government official could have taken place. I can not prove or disprove that assertion.

By contrast, we have no evidence whatsoever of your whole "they didn't need any money and would therefore refuse all money and help from anyone besides OBL" theory, because it's all based on a mental model of terrorists which exists inside your own head, projected out into the real world. Terrorists behave exactly the way you imagine they behave, yup, they sure do. And if you Can't Think Of a reason for them to have met with an Iraqi agent, why, then it must not have happened at all! Reality depends on your ability to understand it!

I have studied terorrist groups extensively. Terrorist groups are extremely secretive about their plans. In fact, terrorist groups are usually divided into cells, with one cell completely ignorant of the operations planned by other cells (i.e., Leaderless Resistance strategy). With this strategy, penetrating one cell does not put the entire organization or leaders at risk. Most analysts believe that only the terrorists that piloted the planes knew the entire plan. This is not a "mental model of terrorists" that exists only in my head. This is how terrorist groups act.

309 posted on 08/19/2002 4:59:51 AM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: ProudAmerican2
If you are going to present a compelling argument that the Iraqi government supported the 9/11 attack, then you are going to have to do more than argue that Atta met with an Iraqi government agent.

But that's all I've been trying to say at this point: Atta met with an Iraqi government agent. You see, you were denying even this (based on your imagined model of how terrorists behave). But I'm glad you've stopped and we're now on the same page.

I have studied terorrist groups extensively.[...] This is not a "mental model of terrorists" that exists only in my head. This is how terrorist groups act.

CZECH INTELLIGENCE SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING. If you're going to doubt this based on no evidence whatsoever, but rather based on your "studies" of how "terrorists behave", then you most definitely are projecting your mental model of terrorists out onto the real world. Remember, CZECH INTELLIGENCE SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING. It's good to keep facts in mind when trying to apply your "studies" to the real world.

312 posted on 08/19/2002 9:53:30 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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