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Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
The American Partisan ^ | August 16, 2002 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 08/16/2002 12:37:18 PM PDT by rightwing2

Bush Administration Plan to Invade Iraq Dubious at Best
First of Three Parts
by David T. Pyne


August 16, 2002

Recent news reports indicate that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in an unprecedented move, has locked out the Joint Chiefs of Staff from further planning for the planned US invasion of Iraq. This action was reportedly taken due to recent leaks by some of our highest-ranking general officers of US war plans, who remain wary of fighting another war against Iraq this time without provocation or justification. While our top generals are not convinced that war with Iraq is a prudent course of action, those of our top policymakers who have never fought in a war are leading the charge to invade Iraq. The only combat veteran among them, Secretary of State Colin Powell has been wisely urging that caution be exercised by the President in getting the US into another war with Iraq and informing the President of all of the undesirable consequences that would likely result from such an unprovoked unilateral US invasion of Iraq.

According to polls, two thirds of the American people would support another US invasion of Iraq. Too many Americans dismiss the Iraqi military machine after the seemingly easy victory of 1991 during Operation Desert Storm achieved at the cost of only a few hundred US soldiers killed in action. Over the past few months, the news reports have been blaring with headlines announcing the Administration's secret plans to invade Iraq. Such planning has ranged from a full-scale 250,000 man invasion which would come closest to ensuring victory though at a potentially high cost in casualties during the war and ensuing occupation to one which would involve as few as 50,000 airborne and special operations troops. This contingency plan is based on the likely erroneous presumption that effective organized and well-armed opposition to Saddam exists and would take action if only the US 82nd Airborne Division were only to appear outside Baghdad to support it.

This last plan would likely result in total disaster for the US forces participating in it. The reason is that even after the destruction wrought upon it by the US armed forces during Operation Desert Storm, Iraq retains a large Army consisting of 424,000 men in 23 divisions including 2200 main-battle tanks, 3700 other assorted armored vehicles, 2400 major artillery weapons and up to 300 operational combat aircraft. It also has another 120,000 men in its internal security forces, which could be expected to defend Saddam from capture. After recent upgrades with help from the Communist China, North Korea and Yugoslavia, Iraq now boasts one of the best air defense systems in the world according to national security experts.

If anyone seriously believes that the nearly 550,000 defenders of Iraq are going to give up the fight at the sight of a mere 20,000 US light infantry troops landing near Baghdad, they are in for a big surprise. While the first US-Iraqi war did prove that much of the Iraqi military lacks the will to fight, it also proved that the tens of thousands of well-trained and well-equipped Republican Guard troops would likely to mount an effective and determined resistance to a US invasion. These Iraqi forces would outnumber US invading troops by over eight to one and could conceivably surround and capture large numbers of US troops before they could safely be extricated and before US reinforcements could be sent in to save them. In short, if the US were to commit the 82nd Airborne to the capture of Baghdad unassisted by heavier armor and artillery formations, it would undoubtedly result in the highest number of combat casualties since the Vietnam War.

Top policymakers in the Administration appear to have forgotten the lesson of Desert Storm which is that large numbers of troops with heavy tanks win wars in their desire to repeat the successes of Afghanistan in which 50,000 US Special Forces troops were able to beat a ragtag and poorly equipped Army of 47,000 Taleban and assorted Al Queda irregulars. A word of warning-Iraq is no Afghanistan. It would take at least 200,000 well supported and well-equipped US ground troops with plenty of tanks and tracked armored vehicles to win another war against Iraq. Anthony H. Cordesman, a former Pentagon official, now a senior fellow and Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies cautioned, "I think it is incredibly dangerous to be dismissive" of the Iraqi military. "To be careless about this war, to me, would be a disaster."

The grand coalition which former President George HW Bush organized to challenge the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait has long since been broken thanks to the polarization of the Arab world with the US-led war on terror and the Israeli war against Palestinian terror. If the US were to invade Iraq, it would likely do so virtually alone without any coalition allies. Even America's closest ally, the UK has voiced opposition to the US plan to invade Iraq. Only Israel would support such a war even though Israeli intelligence publicized the fact that Iraq has no discernable connections to the 9-11 terrorists. However, any Israeli military intervention against Iraq would further anger the entire Arab world against the US and possibly even risk an enlargement of the conflict.

It seems that the Bush Administration has failed to learn from the mistakes of the past and will embark on a course of regime change with the intention to kill or capture Saddam Hussein, which will ensure a no holds bar conflict that is most likely to maximize casualties on both sides. It would be far wiser to come to an accommodation with Saddam whereby he steps down in favor of another more acceptable successor and agrees to go into exile with immunity from prosecution. That would maximize the prospect for another victory at low cost in blood and treasure and might well eliminate the perceived "need" for the US to invade Iraq in the first place. It was recently reported that Hussein was considering formally stepping down from power in a bid to end UN sanctions on his country so such a development is not out of the question. It would be more sensible for the US to restrain itself to fighting one war at a time. An invasion of Iraq would not be prudent before the war in Afghanistan is finished. The Iraq warhawks in the Bush Administration would do well to consider why they have been unable to persuade any of their allies to support their planned unprovoked aggressive war against Iraq. ***

Next up: Part 2--Would another invasion of Iraq be justified?

© 2002 David T. Pyne


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; war
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To: Burkeman1
That is a well thought out and perfectly plausible argument and one I don't disagree with. But when our administration and media try's to sell this as a war to avenge 9/11 then I object. And if they were to advance your much more sane argument as a reason to send our sons to death the majority would object as well. I don't any American to die for a lie- and the lie this administration and much of the media is trying to sell is that if we invade and conquer Iraq we avenge 9/11. That is a lie.

To my knowledge, other than posters, the current debate on Iraq revolves NOT around 9/11, but the threat of WMD. Now as to the War on Terror, which is supposed to be on all terror, Iraq did not really come into it UNTIL Saddam brought it to the table himself. How? By his very public pay off to families of homicide bombers.

Looking at what evidence I can see, I ask myself, does Iraq indeed have WMD? Very probable.

Next, would Iraq use such weapons? I believe that Saddam would very much LIKE to use them. He obviously has put great time, energy and resources into them.

Who are his most likely targets? American and Israeli interests and people.

What would set him off? Ahh...now that is the wild card. His public behavior is indicating that it would not take much to set him off.

Consider this, if the American people become convinced that Saddam has WMD and would use them against us, or Israel, then would it not look downright irresponsible of the government to attempt to eliminate that threat?

Thus it would not be a lie, unless you are not convinced that his WMD poses no threat to the US or Israel.

As to Sept 11. Americans know full well, who the majority of the hijackers were. They know full well who were the deadliest fighters in Afghanistan. They know full well who is pumping out the money as protection for themselves, and to the injury or death of others.

It would be insane to take on Saudi head on, at this time though. If it is a true theat from Iraq though...it would be taking out one bird, and severly weakening the big bird.

It would be in the best interests of our national security, we would remove a threat of insane destruction in that area of the world, we would reduce Saudi power and it's flow of money to terrorists. All in all, I still see it as the right and responsible thing to do.

221 posted on 08/16/2002 8:58:10 PM PDT by Selara
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To: Selara
If WMD is the issue then I would point to the utterly insane regime of North Korea. This is a nation that sends ships and troops to probe the lines of South Korea on a regular basis. Just a month ago they sent in ships to attack South korean vessals. They have sent in Commandos to murder South Korean politicians in the last several years! We are talking about a leader who had orderd the kidnapping of South Korean Movie starlets he was in love with! He has launched missles over Japan and is devoloping the capability to launch missles to California! And what are we doing? We are helping North Korea build nuclear plants. This is a regime 100 times more closed than Iraq and we are helping him build nuke reactors. This is the same clown Bush Identified as part of the axis of evil but yet we continue to "engage in dialouge with".

Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Eygpt- these are our enemies- Islam is the enemy. But we want to placate both the corrupt dictators of these lands seething with Islamic radicalism and our own population wich demands blood. Thus- we have Iraq - which had less to do with 9/11 than did your local Arab 7/11 cashier.

222 posted on 08/16/2002 9:17:53 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: yendu bwam
So your opinion is that Sadaam is a "madman"? Who was worse of a madman? Sadaam or Khomeni or Iran when we financed Sadaam and instructed his officers and military? Was it the Dictator or the Islamic fascist cleric from Iran? And when Sadaam invaded Kuwait and threw those babies out of the window from the hospital we just had to act right? No- nothing behind those lines- all just up front - the American people were fully aware of the reasons- it was for Kuwait and Freedom right? Just like Clinton's war in Serbia in 98? That was for the "refugees". So I guess when we invade a country that had less to do with 9/11 than my corner 7/11 clerk I will have to wave the flag as well or risk being called a traitor?
223 posted on 08/16/2002 9:49:07 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: cajungirl
You got it. I call 'em "Contrary Contrarians." They're simply contrary for the sake of being contrary.

Toss in ideology uber alles and it's a done deal.

224 posted on 08/16/2002 9:53:04 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: cajungirl
Funny- I have been on this forum long enough to remember Ritter as a hero. But God forbid he is against a war with Iraq with a Republican in the white house! Now - to disagree with a Bush is to be a traitor. Disgusting.
225 posted on 08/16/2002 9:54:52 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: rightwing2
People like you and your type existed in the French military in the 1930's. They thought that Hitler could be managed and would soon be gone. Look where it got then in 1940. Iraq represents the same threat as Germany did in the mid 1930's. However in todays world one does not need a large army to harm a great deal of people. With WMD's of various kinds a country like Iraq can by using third parties affect the free world greatly. Look to history and you will find that free people who ignore threats live to regret their inaction. I realy doubt some of your claims in your background when you make some of your statements. I am also a Vet who served several years in the USN. I have looked at Soviet guns pointed right a me and have watched Soviet fire control radar tracking my ship on ESM gear more times than I can remember, I am fully aware of what could happen when we attack Iraq. I know service men and women could be killed. But it is the chance we all take when we take the oath and put on the uniform of our country. We all signed on to defend the USA and the threat of Iraq and its leadership is a clear and present danger to our nation. Hoping it will go away or like the EU hoping that talk will solve the problem is misguided.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! ON TO BAGHDAD!!! DEATH
TO SADDAM!!!
226 posted on 08/16/2002 10:01:16 PM PDT by Bombard
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To: Burkeman1
Tell me how Scott Ritter knows what Iraq has? Is he willing to bet his money, reputation or even life on it? When was the last time Ritter was in Iraq that we know of? What is his assessment based on? Where is his proof? Why should he not be required to present the same level of proof that he and many others are demanding of the administration?
227 posted on 08/16/2002 10:04:36 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: rdb3
The number of limp-wrists we have on the Right is amazing.

I am amazed by the number of caricature right-wingers on FR -- people who talk as though their scripts were written by Norman Lear and are auditioning for Archie Bunker 2002.

A true right-winger respects the Constitution thinks for himself.

A caricature right-winger is a knee-jerk warmonger huntin' for Ruskies and ragheads. I thought these caricature right-wingers were invented by the Left. I am amazed to see so many actually exist.

To the armchair generals and warmongers: stop modeling yourself on Archie Bunker. You don't have to promote war to be a patriot and true conservative.

228 posted on 08/16/2002 10:09:37 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: KainIV
Iraq agreed to 100% disarmament, not sufficient degradation. You are disproving your own point.

Try reading fopr comprehension. Ritter had different standards with his two jobs.

229 posted on 08/16/2002 10:11:49 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: rdb3
Let me tell you something else, newbie. I've been in many flamewars here, and you are a joke. You've been PROVEN wrong, and "yeah, whatever" is all you're left with. You'd be better off by just shutting up.

Yeah, whatever...

230 posted on 08/16/2002 10:12:53 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: jwalsh07
Did time stand still in Iraq on the day Ritter left? Is it still 1998 there or is it 2002? Lets see that's four years. What can happen in four years?

Have you heard of the economic sanctions? How do you think Iraq is importing the material necessary for a WMD program?

231 posted on 08/16/2002 10:14:34 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: Biker Scum
You remind me of my brother-in-law. He has trouble making is point clear also. I think you need a class in "Argumentation and Debate" You would do good supporting the liberal point of view I'm sure.

I stopped discussing the issue with him shortly after he started the personal attacks.

232 posted on 08/16/2002 10:15:52 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: jwalsh07
Why did Atta fly to Prague, risking discovery of the most horrendous terroist act ever, to meet with al Ani and then return the next day?

Perhaps you can explain why Atta would share the details of a top-secret terrorist act with an Iraqi government when he did not need his support.

233 posted on 08/16/2002 10:18:53 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: yendu bwam
Perhaps you can explain why Atta would share the details of a top-secret terrorist act with an Iraqi government agent when he did not need his support.
234 posted on 08/16/2002 10:21:39 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: ASA Vet
Nice touch.
235 posted on 08/16/2002 10:22:42 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Burkeman1
Now - to disagree with a Bush is to be a traitor. Disgusting.

Exactly!

236 posted on 08/16/2002 10:23:59 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: yendu bwam
Because we were trying to get him to live up to his inspections agreements - which he did not.

Right....

237 posted on 08/16/2002 10:24:43 PM PDT by ProudAmerican2
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To: Burkeman1
If WMD is the issue then I would point to the utterly insane regime of North Korea. This is a nation that sends ships and troops to probe the lines of South Korea on a regular basis. Just a month ago they sent in ships to attack South korean vessals. They have sent in Commandos to murder South Korean politicians in the last several years! We are talking about a leader who had orderd the kidnapping of South Korean Movie starlets he was in love with! He has launched missles over Japan and is devoloping the capability to launch missles to California! And what are we doing? We are helping North Korea build nuclear plants. This is a regime 100 times more closed than Iraq and we are helping him build nuke reactors. This is the same clown Bush Identified as part of the axis of evil but yet we continue to "engage in dialouge with".

Many countries have WMD. The whole thrust of your arguement is that we are picking on Iraq, when you say that Iraq is not a threat. Tell, me why the United States government would single out Iraq to pick on, in your opinion.

Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Eygpt- these are our enemies- Islam is the enemy. But we want to placate both the corrupt dictators of these lands seething with Islamic radicalism and our own population wich demands blood. Thus- we have Iraq - which had less to do with 9/11 than did your local Arab 7/11 cashier.

You would have us take on all the Islamic nations at the same time? Not me. The area needs to be destablized, yes, divided. This is a war that truely needs to be played on all fronts...using psychological, rhetorical, financial and military. A head on collision in an all out war with all the Islamic is not in our interest today.

238 posted on 08/16/2002 10:27:28 PM PDT by Selara
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To: Commie Basher
You don't have to promote war to be a patriot and true conservative.

You also do not avoid when it is necessary and letting the situation fester. Afghanistan was the first battle of this war. It is now in Iraq's court to prove that it has really changed its spots. Let United States military personnel have country wide free access to all facilities capable of hiding or producing WMD. Saddam’s past actions do not warrant an "innocent until proven guilty" defense.

239 posted on 08/16/2002 10:31:31 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Let's not get into an argument about Ritter. You would be wrong. But let us assume the worst about Iraq. Let us say tht Iraq has developed the trifecta of weapons: Nukes, Chemical, and Biological. So what? We don't have those weapons? India doesn't? China doesn't? North Korea (whom we are aiding in an insane program to build nuke plants won't?). In fact I would bet oil rich Saudi Arabia and flush with American Money Eygpt does as well or will shortly. What about Sudan or libya? They don't have WMD programs? Why- all of a sudden is this Iraqi WMD issue so big and now used by hawks as a pretext for war? We know our "allies" have the same programs and are aided in such by our europeon "allies" in "NATO". Would you be willing to die in a war against Iraq to avenge 9/11 against Iraq? I Wouldn't. The evidence points to our "allies" in the region. I would rather burn Mecca and raise the Cross over their meteor than eat goat in Bagdhad.
240 posted on 08/16/2002 10:40:49 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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