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Posted on 08/16/2002 9:50:33 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Let's also stipulate that by allowing these priests to commit these acts, the Church hierarchy is complicit. Let's also stipulate that by doing so, the Church hierarchy has handed its enemies an excellent truncheon with which to be beaten. I'd even stipulate that, to an extent, the Church hierarchy deserves a few whacks from the truncheon, especially Cardinal Law, who you mentioned in one of your posts.
But, having said all that, the joke you posted waaaaay back at no. 15 was not funny. Nor is the implication in this post (and others on this thread) that priests as a class abuse people funny. Or accurate. And that's why everyone is so "inflamed." Catholics have had to take a lot of abuse this year, most for things not of our own making, and yes, some of us are a wee bit sensitive about that.
Whether it was your intention or not, by making light initially about what these shaved apes did in the Cathedral, you opened yourself up to charges of Catholic bashing. In other words, like the Church, you handed those who would bash you a truncheon. And if you step back from things a bit and look at the words you wrote, you should be able to see why some posters took your ham-handed attempts at humor as Catholic bashing.
I have met probably 100 priests in my lifetime. One priest in particular was a lousy human being, a pedantic, self-important windbag. Others I've known hit the bottle too much. One priest I've met is no longer a priest because he was convicted of sexual assault. Another priest I knew left the priesthood because he married my aunt. Priests are human beings and as a result they are subject to all of the same temptations and failings as anyone else. But the vast majority of priests I know are honest, decent servants of God, who care deeply for their ministry and are horrified by what has happened. We have a lot of wounds to heal and a lot of damage to repair. As a Catholic, I'd like to get on with that work and hurtful comments such as what you posted at no. 15 don't help. Nor does some radio show trying to desecrate St. Patrick's.
I take you at your word that you are Catholic. I also hope that someday you will understand why what you've posted here has "inflamed" so many people and that you will join those of us who are trying to repair the breach, instead of throwing off one liners.
Peace,
MdNB
Okay.... and then??
I'm lucky enough to be in a Chemistry Department, where most of my colleagues are apolitical. Even those who say they're liberal mean liberal in the 1960 sense. Unlike conservative or liberatarian colleagues in the social sciences and humanities (and even in the business school) I've never been retaliated against for my views, and it's fun being a conservative on campus; there's always some new piece of left wing idiocy to mock.
"Etiology" in the sense of a disease.
And just to remind YOU: I was responding to your statement that you didn't understand and attempting to explain to you WHY so many were upset. You stated:
And just to ALSO remind you, you did state it was funny here:
So you might want to refresh your memory before you try and tell us any more untruths, OK? You see, I read the entire thread.
Not inflamed; "bored" is more like it.
It was an obvious joke. When a stand-up comic realizes his performance is bombing he inevitably falls back on poo-poo, ca-ca, doo-doo and pee-pee jokes. The audience laughs. But they are not amused.
In the future he will also be able to fall back on Catholic pedophilia jokes along with the poo-poo, ca-ca, doo-doo and pee-pee jokes. (It won't be homosexuality or his carreer will be aborted.)
The audience will laugh. But they will not be amused.
And after a while, Catholics might decide to shake the dust off their sandals and go someplace where the comics are talented and witty.....
That's the dang thing that's been causing all the problems since Adam first whined to God about the chemical imbalances in the Garden of Eden!!!!
You should be able to find the place; it's just across the street from the Cathedral, which you've surely visited -- possibly with a friend from Virginia, ha ha ha. ("ironic" laughter)
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