Really I just don't believe in all this doom and gloom crap. Do we have problems? Duh. Have we had problems since the minute we signed the Declaration? Yup. Have we over come them all? So far. Will we eventually screw the pooch? Damn straight. Do I think that's going to happen any time soon? Nope. Do I think it will be caused by some Mexican invasion? Hell no. Let me make the case.
1. For a variety of reasons including PC, we have many cultural problems that are dividing this country. It is not an accident that Girtrude Himmelfarb published a book entitled "One Nation, Two Cultures."
2. It is in the interest of maintaining the nation that we resolve the culture war in victory.
3. Immigrants come in with their own cultures, introducing futher cultural clashes.
4. Moreover because of our problems, we are less able to assimilate immigrants than we were 100 years ago. (Can you imagine a PROGRESSIVE president saying today that there is no space for hyphenated Americans?)
5. Thus immigration strains us, just when we need our resources for victory and renewal.
I could argue that people of non-Western cultures are harder to assimilate than those with a British derived or at least European culture.
I could also note that the clash of nationalisms, loyalties, and history makes Mexican immigration especially difficult.
You need to recheck your numbers. The Latin vote was pretty evenly split.
Not even close. Bush won the Hispanic vote only in one state, FL. He came close to breaking even in Texas. Everywhere else, he was crushed. http://www.vdare.com/pb/election.htm
You might also be interested in this article. http://www.vdare.com/awall/mexicans.htm
Given how many European immigrants stay on the east coast, and how solidly the east coast goes to the Dems I don't think they're helping us out much.
I don't have the figures for the 200 election but regarding Mayoral races, white immigrant neighborhoods went for Giulliani Bloomberg, while non-white immigrant neighboorhoods went Democrat 4 times in a row.
Of course, I would argue that regardless of race, all immigrants who are not refugees froim Communist countries are natural Democrats for the first few generations.
Of course the real punchline is that it's perfectly legal to be a leftist in this country. If we start basing immigrant policy on how we think they're gonna vote we'll get serious fuqed next time the Dems are in charge. And we won't be able to cry foul because we did it first.
No, the Democrats did it first in 1965. Kennedy sponsored the immigration act and Humphry lied about its results.
Again I have yet to see where the hispanics/ third worlders/ Mexican or whatever the hell you want to call them today are assimilating AT ALL differently than the European immigration boom from the late 19th and early 20th century. You keep insisting it, but you haven't proven it, and I ain't buying it.
For the moment, let me assume that you are correct that third-world immigration today is little different than that 100 years ago. Gues what, thos immigrants voted for Progressive Republicans and Democrats. They were the backbone of the northern FDR coalituion. It took 2 generations to assimilate them and have them vote like other Americans. So regardless of who is right about race, iun the near term, we are importing Democrat votes.
What's "holding a die"?
A die in is when protester pretend to have been killed. They also said that with the BBQ, we were symbolically roasting their ancestors. i told them that people are treif and that I am not an Aztec. They did not find the quip amusing and campus security was called.
And we don't get Columbus Day BBQ's because it's not a holiday because the black community talked us into trading it for MLK Day so we could get a Super Bowl.
You do understand the importance of national unification holidays like Columbus day ?
I don't see the Mexicans as either second class (hoo boy there's a racist statement if I've ever seen one) or racially disaffected.
I called Mexicans a disaffected class, like blacks. I never said second. I suppose no one has yelled at you, "(Yanqui/Gringo/Blanco/Anglo) this is no longer your country."
All I know is the facts. And the facts are a big group has thrown its support to Simon. What effect it's gonna have, who knows. But it does show that your blanket statement is incorrect.
Bush had support of some groups. He lost the Hispanic vote about 35-62%.
Hey, America has had a good influence on the world. Of course on the other hand we also gave the world Brittney Spears.
Her music sucks (although great remake of Joan Jett's "I love Rock and Roll!"), but she is damn easy on the eyes.
. And of course just because we went away doesn't mean our positive influence would end. Looking forward, what are the FUTURE contributions that would be lost if America went away? I do love this country, but I'm not stupid. The world goes on.
AS I said, if the US fails, I believe that the ideals of our founding will be discredited. The world will also have lost the only country to liberate and rebuild its enemies.
As free as us the last 50 years or just any old 50 years? The last 50 years nobody. Any old 50 years, The Roman Republic is good, the Athenian Republic kicked butt.
Athens had more slavery and Rome enslaved whole countries, even as a Republic.
Western Europe wasn't "lost". It was right there. It went through some changes, mostly for the worst, but they came out the other side in pretty good shape. And the Eastern Empire sucked.
1. It took 1000 years for Western Europe to be rebuilt. That sucks.
2. Byzantium was better than Visigoth Hispania.
Of course by the time it became the Roman Empire the experiment we're repeating was already over.
One of the reasons for the fall of the Republic was the expansion and introduction of foreign cultures.
Of course you forget why the Germans invaded also. They invaded because they hated Rome, they'd always hated Rome, and Rome wouldn't leave them the hell alone. Rome finally conquered them, and when Rome got weak they struck back. But again, by that point Rome was an Empire and not a Republic. The Republic was dead.
The Germans pretty much left Rome alone for 240 years after they destroyed the 17th 18th and 19th Legions in the battle of the Teutoburg Forest. In the 4th century, the Romans tried Romanizing the Germans. All they did was make the Goths want to take over Rome.
We have a policy towards Fox? All I've seen is that him and GW like to hang out. Other than letting Fox give his speeches I haven't seen a policy. I see no problem with treating him as a friend, you get to keep a better eye on friends.
When the PAN candidate Fox defeater the PRI oligarchs after 70 years, I rejoiced. However, I have seen little change.
Again, I ain't buying what your selling. You have YET to show that Mexican immigrants are behaving at all differently from any other group of immigrants in history. Since the previous groups weren't a problem there is no impricial evidence that the Mexicans will be a problem. Show how they're different and there's something to discuss. Until then it's just racist ranting against a people that have done nothing to deserve your ire.
1. Prior immigrants were a problem for generations.
2. Immigrants from a neighboring country are a big difference from those across the ocean. Mexico found this out at San Jacinto. Why should we ignore our shared history?
Great those are all real nice. But again they cross the immigrant boundries. They're universal problems we have with EVERY immigrant group. I've said over and over I wouldn't mind slowing or even temporarily halting ALL immigration. What I won't support is picking on the Mexicans because some people are paranoid freaks.
Nice numbers. How do they compare with your own group the Jews? They clearly don't vote as leftist as blacks. Again Mexicans are NOT posing a UNIQUE problem, and trherefore there's no reason to single them out.
Cute. But that really doesn't sound much different than the protest the Indians down here do. I don't know if any faked their own death recently. I don't go to the protests I just see them on TV. Since Columbus Day isn't even a holiday here without the protests I'd never find out it was Columbus Day (IMHO it's much ado about nothing, not like Columbus ever actually LANDED in America, Columbus discovered the Bahamas). One way or the other your Mexicans still don't hold a candle to our blacks as far as "ruining" Columbus Day goes.
I understand the importance of national unification holidays. I don't think Columbus Day is one. It's just a day off to me, one I never had because AZ had gotten rid of it before I got the kind of job where you get those days of. The national unification holidays are Memorial Day, Independance Day and Armestice Day (when we had the individual president's birthdays off they were good, the current Presidents' Day is nothing more than a white sale at K-Mart). Columbus Day is a day celebrating a guy who didn't land in America proper and wasn't the first European here anyway. As a matter of fact he didn't even prove the world was round because people didn't think it was flat. Pretty much everything you were told in grade shoool about Columbus (and oddly enough all the stuff the Indians down here protest, which is why I laugh at them) is BS.
OK you're right on the phrasing, I missed parsed the 2nd class of citizen thing, apologies. Nope none of the immigrants I regularly run into (I've worked with them and for them, and because of my serious salsa addiction eat their food all the time) has ever given any indication of any ofrm of support for La Reconquista. I've talked to a few of them about it and they all think it's total BS. A lot of the stuff I've said about how they don't respect the Mexican government and would immigrate again if it took over here is straight from these conversations, including the stuff about who's in La Raza and MECHA. That's why I'm not buying any of this stuff, I've sat down and talked to the people that are suposedly taking the country away and they think this stuff is stupid.
Posters of Britney are nice. I had to wonder when she did that Joan Jett cover (woohoo, dig Joan Jett, that's my kind of rock and roll woman) if Brittney had ever actually SEEN a jukebox, let's not even get into if she understands what rock and roll is (and someday the dime will be gone, sadly that song is not aging well).
35% is still better than the GOP gets with most of the minorities (or semi-minorities), yours and mine (European Catholic) included.
OK I can see that, but maybe the ideals of the founders wouldn't get trashed. Communism couldn't last a whole century in Russia and people still dig it. Roman and Greecian slavery weren't like what we had here. It was more like (to steal a term from the commies) the wage slavery we supposedly had here. Their slaves earned money and could eventually buy their freedom, it was a stepping stone to full citizenship which many chose not to go for because they didn't care to take that next step.
No. The Republic fell because of the coroption of the senate. That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with immigration into Rome. Roman immigration was very complex and layered, the important thing to know is that most immigrants weren't citizens right away and many never became citizens. Being as they weren't citizens they had no voice in the government until (unless) they earned their citizenship. Sorry i've spent a fair time studying Rome and your the first with this theory that I've seen. The whole Roman- German thing is too complex to get into. Suffice that there was a lot of hatred and Rome would have been better off just ignoring them, but they didn't and in the end they got screwed.
Change doesn't happen right away. You're starting to sound like the people bitching about Bush. You can't just undo 70 years of progressing socialism right after being sworn into office. Niether nation gives the president imperial powers or a magic wand. They've got to work within the system and that's going to take time. If we're lucky and manage to keep getting conservatives in power we'll see some serious change before we die. If we're lucky.
Again, I have yet to see any significant way where Mexican immigration is different. You keep insisting it, but you haven't proven it. Without that I ain't buying that they should be singled out.