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You're deliberately misunderstanding me.

With regard to our culture being "destroyed" it's a simple if/ then statement. IF our culture gets destroyed by a force so pathetic as a bunch of drunken college kids THEN obviously our culture was pretty sad. This isn't a statement of wishing or even a judgement of our culture as it stands today. I'm simply saying that any culture worth respecting could handle this "threat". Because I don't even think it's a threat it should be painfully clear that I think we're more than up to the "challenge" and our culture deserves to live.

Why shouldn't we allow our immigrants to look like the world? In case you haven't checked in on Europe recently they're no shining example of free market capitalism. Given that the EU is pissed at Ireland for having such "low" taxes (about 3 times ours in most brackets) I'd say there's just as much risk of "socialist contaminiation" coming from them as from anywhere else.

OMG they got rid of Columbus Day in one university... almost. AZ traded Columbus Day for MLK Day and that's state wide. Which goes back to my ongoing theme that everything you guys accuse the Hispanics of doing the black are doing more effectively (not that I'm anti-balck, just pointing out the flaws in your "reasoning"). What little observance there is of Columbus Day here is heavily protested by the Indians.

Watch out what you say about the CA Mexicans, one big group of them just came out in favor of Simon.

The whole world loses what? Sorry I've read enough history to know that eventually somebody will try this experiment again. Not like we were the first to go in for a representative government and free market capitalism, and I have seirous doubt we'll be the last. And maybe the next group won't be so fast to vote themselves into destruction. Another thing I've learned is that eventually ALL countries die. Maybe it's our time. I don't think so, but who can say. At least you're finally starting to grock who'd be at fault if it is time for the American epoch to end.

Great I love your last paragraph. That's all I've been looking for. Of course the illegal immigration thing is truly impossible to stop, but we should try. Truthfully the only way we'll ever have a significant impact on Mexican immigration is to make Mexico a nice place to live. I have no problem with an across the board shut down of legal immigration, I have no problem with turning up the effort to stop/ evict illegal immigrants. I only have a problem with people running around claiming the Mexicans are destroying America. Not only is that supid bigotry, it's factually incorrect.

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With regard to our culture being "destroyed" it's a simple if/ then statement. IF our culture gets destroyed by a force so pathetic as a bunch of drunken college kids THEN obviously our culture was pretty sad. This isn't a statement of wishing or even a judgement of our culture as it stands today. I'm simply saying that any culture worth respecting could handle this "threat". Because I don't even think it's a threat it should be painfully clear that I think we're more than up to the "challenge" and our culture deserves to live.
Americans kids don't know thier history, but know that their grandparents and parents are racists.
American voters don't know the difference between a Democracy adn a Republic and consistantly vote in Politicians who bribe them with their own money.
We have lost the cultural certainty to assimilate children and immigrants into the best of our history and culture, creating a future of people who hate our past.
Educated Americans are not having children.
In light of this, how are you an optimist?

Why shouldn't we allow our immigrants to look like the world? In case you haven't checked in on Europe recently they're no shining example of free market capitalism. Given that the EU is pissed at Ireland for having such "low" taxes (about 3 times ours in most brackets) I'd say there's just as much risk of "socialist contaminiation" coming from them as from anywhere else.
1. European immigrants to the US vote Republican. Immigrants from Latin America, except for Cuba, vote democrat.
2. Any immigrant can be a socialist. I would like to see some ideological pledge by immigrants before we accept them.
3. Europeans are easier to assimilate than Third Worlders.

OMG they got rid of Columbus Day in one university... almost. AZ traded Columbus Day for MLK Day and that's state wide. Which goes back to my ongoing theme that everything you guys accuse the Hispanics of doing the black are doing more effectively (not that I'm anti-balck, just pointing out the flaws in your "reasoning"). What little observance there is of Columbus Day here is heavily protested by the Indians.
You didn't have a Chicano group hold a die in infront of a Columbus Day BBQ, did you?
Seriously though do we really want to import a second class of racially disaffected citizens?

Watch out what you say about the CA Mexicans, one big group of them just came out in favor of Simon.

I had this discussion with David Horowitz over Bush and the CA vote in 2000. I lost. Bush broke the 30% mark. That is not promising. If Simon gets the Hispanic vote to come within 5% of the white vote, I'll reconsider.

The whole world loses what? Sorry I've read enough history to know that eventually somebody will try this experiment again.
Didn't you just spend a paragraph explaining that you are a Patriot. You are contradicting yourself.
I would note that Democratic Capitalism is widespread because of teh US. If it fails, so do others. Besides, name one country that has been as free as us for 50 years.

Not like we were the first to go in for a representative government and free market capitalism, and I have seirous doubt we'll be the last.
When Rome fell, the Eastern Empire survived. Still Western Europe was lost for 1000 years.

And maybe the next group won't be so fast to vote themselves into destruction. Another thing I've learned is that eventually ALL countries die. Maybe it's our time. I don't think so, but who can say. At least you're finally starting to grock who'd be at fault if it is time for the American epoch to end.
All countries die and normally through decay. However external factors can always hasten the fall.
The Roman Empire fell because it was corrupt. However, the invasion of the Germans hastened the fall and prevented any real renaisance of Rome.
Marcus Aurelius may have tried, but he was too busy dealing with the Goths to reform the bureacracy and taxes.
America is not lost. It can be saved, but extern al pressure must be removed.

Great I love your last paragraph. That's all I've been looking for. Of course the illegal immigration thing is truly impossible to stop, but we should try. Truthfully the only way we'll ever have a significant impact on Mexican immigration is to make Mexico a nice place to live.
Hence the complete failure of our policy vis-a-vis even a "reformer" like Vincente Fox.

I have no problem with an across the board shut down of legal immigration, I have no problem with turning up the effort to stop/ evict illegal immigrants. I only have a problem with people running around claiming the Mexicans are destroying America. Not only is that supid bigotry, it's factually incorrect.
Large scal immigration from a neighboring country poses a problem unile any other. There are millions of Mexicans and illegal Mexican aliens who believe that they are entitled to live in the American Southwest and that America should adapt or leave. It is the 1820's again. It is a reconquista.