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To: TomB
I made no mistake at all...

if you had read the post you would see that it was posted from PubMed...

anyone who was interested in verifying it could have done a simple search at PubMed...

here's the link you seek...

"While DPT immunisation might prevent some unexplained infant deaths due to asymptomatic whooping cough, these data indicate that immunisation with DPT also induces antibodies cross-reactive with pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins implicated in many cases of SIDS."

123 posted on 08/17/2002 4:37:30 AM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: krodriguesdc; aruanan
"While DPT immunisation might prevent some unexplained infant deaths due to asymptomatic whooping cough, these data indicate that immunisation with DPT also induces antibodies cross-reactive with pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins implicated in many cases of SIDS."

Doc, are you sure you are a microbiologist?

Because you can't read an abstract. You are utterly clueless.

From aruanan's earlier post:

    " You seem to be under the impression that the "cross-reactivity" referred to in this paper as caused by DPT vaccination is a bad thing and is implicated in SIDS. You seem to be under the impression that the scheduling of DPT at earlier ages was part of the reason for increased numbers of SIDS deaths at younger ages. You're completely wrong on both counts as you will see from the portions of the paper presented below, especially the conclusion which I present in toto. There is NOTHING in this paper that supports the idea that DPT immunization has any role in causing SIDS. A quick summation of some main points of the paper first:

    1. Speculation in the early 1980's that DPT vaccination could be a cause of SIDS was found to be unsupported.

    2. Unimmunized children were found to be at greater risk for SIDS.

    3. Researchers had noted that SIDS deaths fall where DPT immunizaton is practiced.

    4. SIDS deaths fall where DPT immunization is begun earlier rather than later.

    5. In locations where DPT immunization is discontinued, SIDS cases increase.

    6. Q. What is there about DPT immunization that is protective against SIDS? A. DPT provokes an immune response in the child that makes antibodies that are cross-reactive with toxins that have been identified in SIDS victims. This cross-reactivity is protective against SIDS.

    7. Certain maternally-derived antibodies also afford protection against these toxins.

    8. Some infants have lower levels of these maternally-derived antibodies and are thus at a greater risk for SIDS.

    9. For these more at-risk infants, even earlier DPT vaccination could be beneficial in protecting them from SIDS.

You've got things COMPLETELY BACKWARDS!

And you want to counsel people on vaccinations??????

124 posted on 08/17/2002 4:44:21 AM PDT by TomB
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To: krodriguesdc; TomB
"While DPT immunisation might prevent some unexplained infant deaths due to asymptomatic whooping cough, these data indicate that immunisation with DPT also induces antibodies cross-reactive with pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins implicated in many cases of SIDS."

The problem, k, is several:
1. that you read only the abstract,
2. that you didn't understand it,
3. that if you had read the original paper you would, perhaps, see it,
4. that you aren't reading, you're reading-into, you're projecting meanings into text that AREN'T there.
Let me spell it out again. You can refer to the sections of the paper posted above to verify this:

1. The idea is that while, of the total amount of SIDS cases, some may be due to asymptomatic whooping cough, others are due to other causes having to do with "pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins".
2. DPT immunizations could prevent some of the unexplained SIDS deaths that are due to unsymptomatic whooping cough [if they were prevented and the whooping cough was unsymptomatic, you'd have no idea that SIDS was prevented or that there had been an unsymptomatic case--short of an antibody titer]. This is a GOOD thing.
3. IN ADDITION TO THIS, DPT immunizations ALSO definitely, demonstrably [the demonstration is the experimental focus of the paper--if you'd read it you'd see that] induce the formation of antibodies in the child that are cross-reactive to the pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins that are implicated in many SIDS cases. That is, they target these toxins for inactivation and removal. This cross-reactivity is also a GOOD thing.
4. This means that DPT immunizations are good for at least TWO reasons (numbers 2 & 3). The authors are not saying "This good, while that is bad" they're saying "This is good, while that is also good". In fact, if you read the paper, they're saying "This [the protection against a few cases of asymptomatic whooping cough] is good, but that [the production of antibodies that are cross-reactive to pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins] is SO good that DPT immunization at even earlier ages for children who are at greater risk of SIDS, due to lower levels of maternally-derived antibodies, is indicated and has been demonstrated in countries where a change to an earlier immunization schedule has radically reduced the number of SIDS deaths.

128 posted on 08/17/2002 5:33:26 AM PDT by aruanan
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