The Flight from Fact: Palestine in the Hands of Palestinian From Time Immemorial

From the Book: From Time Immemorial | 1984 | Joan Peters

[carton253]

I know that this is a long read... but worth every word of it in understanding the history of Palestine.

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I thought you might enjoy this article.

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At your convenience, could you take the html tags out of my title... thank you!

[carton253]

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[Ancesthntr]

The scenario of a western people settling a wilderness area and making a country of it, of farming and industrializing it, then having people from surrounding areas immigrate there because of the availability of food, jobs and freedom, then finally having those immigrants claim the land for themselves has happened already. Those examples are Rhodesia and South Africa, where the squatters now control the governments. We already know that Rhodesia has been turned into the most brutal of dictatorships, where the remaining descendants of the westerners who built the place from nothing are barely hanging on to their lives, and where their property is subject to seizure at the whim of thieves masquerading as government officials. In South Africa, senseless violence is a way of life. Any descendants of those who built that country from nothing would be smart if they got out before their nation becomes Rhodesia II.

What happened in Rhodesia and South Africa is a model for what the Arabs want to do to Israel. The Arabs obviously want to make Israel Rhodesia III, though clearly won't allow any of the descendants of those westerners who built the nation from nothing to survive. I sincerely hope that the Israelis fight to win, unlike those in Rhodesia and South Africa, and that the rest of the western world finally wakes up. I have little hope of the latter (with the exception of the US), but a great deal of hope for the former (after all, the Jews of Israel, unlike citizens of Rhodesia and South Africa, have no where else to go).

[dennisw]

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[monkeyshine]

She's good, bump!

[carton253]

I thought you might enjoy this article... It sheds alot of light on the propaganda that has been turned into truth.

Cinnamon Girl, thank you for recommending this book to me. I loved it...

[ladyinred]

You have done a great service by posting the real history of the Palies and the Jewish people.

Although I knew most of this, it has indeed been buried in a sea of misinformation and the revision of history.

[carton253]

She's excellent!!!! And what I love about her book is that she started out to write the exact opposite. She states that she was 2 years into her research, when the book blew up. She realized that what she thought was truth was nothing more than propaganda masquerading as truth. When an author has that kind of "revelation", it brings an authority to the writing that isn't there when the book is written to prove one's politics, etc.

[Alouette]

BTTT

[dennisw]

 From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine
by Joan Peters

 

 

 

AMAZON reader's reviews:
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[carton253]

That is a great page to have shown us... it shows why Joan Peter's thinking was turned upside down and this book is the result of her investigation...

Thank you for that and for pinging the list...

[widowithfoursons]

Ping me. It's ridiculous that people have no clue about this issue. If they even watched Newman in "Exodus" the history would be evident.

[dennisw]

That is a great page to have shown us... it shows why Joan Peter's thinking was turned upside down and this book is the result of her investigation...
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No problem! The first thing she hits you with in the book, and the first few chapters, are the Jewish refugees from Arab lands. That were coming to Israel years before 1948. Later on she tells the story of so many Arabs who immigrated to Palestine once the Jews generated more economic activity. Starting with farming and light industry.

[carton253]

Yes... I love the Arab explanation of their love for their native Jewish populations... (sarcasm)

Next book in my list is Bay Ye'or's Islam and Dhimmitude: A Clash of Civilizations. Should prove interesting.

[carton253]

I have never seen Exodus. I am not a big fan of Eva St. Marie... but on your recommendation, I will watch it. if you haven't read this book, then please do... Joan Peter's research is faultless.

[carton253]

Just a heads-up. Last Friday night on CSPAN -- Dennis Ross and Charles Krauthammer debated the issue of Israel/Palestine and the war on Iraq. It was great. Watch for it... if it comes up again, it is worth the hour and a half.

[tictoc]

Thank you for pinging me to this.

Joan Peter's research is faultless.

It isn't. I'm sorry but it isn't faultless.

Daniel Pipes, whose credentials as a defender of Israel require no elaboration, wrote this in the New York Review of Books in 1986(!):

It has become open season on Joan Peters's From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict Over Palestine, although Yehoshua Porath's review [NYR, January 16] is one of the more restrained of the attacks upon it made in the past fifteen months or so. Mrs. Peters has brought this upon herself to a large extent, for, as I wrote in my review of the book in The New Republic of April 23, 1984, "many of its valuable points are buried in passages of furious argumentative overkill," and too much of its more than 600 pages is given over to very conventional polemics. Since then, some patient researchers have found numerous examples of sloppiness in her scholarship and an occasional tendency not to grasp the correct meaning of a context from which she has extracted a quotation. All in all, her book is marked—and marred—by an over-eagerness to score a huge and definitive polemical triumph, which has caused her too often to leave prudence and responsibility behind.

But the fact remains that there is an original and significant argument at the heart of her book [...]

I am not mentioning this to rain on your parade, but you should know there are problems with Peters' research before you get blindsided in a discussion with a well-prepared PLO sympathizer.

It is unfortunate that Peters has not seen fit to publish an updated, revised edition of her book which would fill in gaps in the demographical data and correct errors. The story isn't as simple as she makes it out to be.

For my part, during the same time that I was finding out how indeed hundreds of thousands Palestinian Arabs were dispossessed and treated badly by the Israelis, I also learned of the 1400 years persecution of Jews by Muslim Arabs, starting with Moe Ham Head his own self and culminating in the 1948 war of extermination and the expulsion of the Jews from Arab countries. The same Arab genocidal mindset that continues to this day and is so twisted and perverse that it accuses the other side of the crime it is planning and implementing. So my compassion for the Arabs ... let's say it has its limits.

It takes nothing away from the accomplishments of the Israelis to admit that real injustices against Palestinian Arabs were committed (some of whom had indeed been living there for many generations). That is how nation-states are born - in blood and tears - and Israel has tragic history like all other nation-states (but much less than most of them).