No Decision From Westerfield Jury: Deliberations Continue Tuesday, August 13, 2002

Are you and John liking me for a suspect??

Why all these questions about what I would do???....I never leave my house I tell you...never!!

:-)...sounds pretty stupid when you write out what they want us to believe, doesn't it?

Yes if I had done such a terrible thing I would have burned the clothes and disposed of the ashes by scattering them in the wind or ocean in different places. If I had a spot of blood on my carpet, I also wouldn't put a towel over it (cut it out and destroy it)..or was that towel supposed to show how DW didn't see it?

Maybe burning the evidence was supposed to happen when the first "false" reports of DW having a huge fire out in the desert. Amazing, most of what DW told the PD was true, much of the rest can be because of faulty memory. I know if I was asked everything I did on long trip like that after drinking too much on friday nite, I doubt I could give completely correct answers.

Maybe DW is guilty and maybe he isn't, I doubt we will really ever know and I would hate to be on that jury especially with all the talking heads spewing nonsense on TV.

A lot of unanswered questions here IMO.

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the state did not come anywhere close to proving that he did.

I think the State's case stops at the van Dam's door. They have not presented a shred of anything that places DW in the home or an indication that he abducted Danielle. Kidnapping must be proven or murder can't be. Has kidnapping been proven?

IMO, Jeff Dusek suggesting that we just have to believe that he got into the house undetected and got her out of the house somehow is asking way too much. It is the key to everything they claim happened subsequently and the key doesn't fit the lock.
by Southflanknorthpawsis

The bugs have more credibility than most of the witnesses in this case.
by tunneldiver

Dusek's theory used a lot of 'missing' evidence.
There was the blood all over the 'missing boots'.
There was the blood all over the 'missing comforter'
There was the 'missing blue blanket' that Danielle was wrapped in to keep the bugs from getting to her.
There was the 'missing orange UFO' that left orange fibers all over DW's house and Danielle's body.
There was the 'missing blue/grey UFO' that left blue/grey fibers on Danielle's body and in DW's MH.
There was a missing breifcase with that had a million dollars in it, that police still refuse to return to me.
There is the 'missing' NASA Spacesuit that DW used to enter the VD home.
Seriously, Prosecution/LE's theorized all kinds of things and then searched for the evidence to prove it. Apparently, when they couldn't find the evidence they needed, they either faked it, or declared it missing.
by UCANSEE2

Those dry cleaning reciepts have 3 different times on them and the computer was up and down. Maybe DW only went once, and maybe he wasn't naked, and maybe the clerk has the mind of a potato chip.
by John Jamieson

A smart lady asked a good question...

Why would that detective search for days for the drycleaning place if DW had already told them about it?

Did it give Ott some time at the cleaners?

HEY, Cyn. See post #10.

I think you and I disagreed on this subject. (forgive me If it wasn't you).

In one affidavit, San Diego police Detective Terry Torgersen said Westerfield told detectives he submitted items for cleaning at Twin Peaks Cleaners the morning of Feb. 4.

But wait...didn't he hide that trip and only fess to the later one?

I said DW didn't LIE to police about his trips to the dry cleaners.

"Search warrant affidavits released today describe David Westerfield admitting to police that he dropped off bedding and other items at a Poway dry cleaners two days after Danielle van Dam disappeared."

A smart lady asked a good question...

Why would that detective search for days for the drycleaning place if DW had already told them about it?

Did it give Ott some time at the cleaners?
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Interesting point! And it took all of one day to go to 4 cleaners in the same immediate area? 2/5? Det. Torgeson "found it" on 2/6 then got warrant on 2/7..And the clerk knew Ott...and he was there sometime in that time period?

Do you think the clerk that made the errors on whose cleaning was whose could have been distracted by someone while a regular customer checked on their clothes by themselves or used the restroom possibly in the back of the store?

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Do you think the clerk that made the errors on whose cleaning was whose could have been distracted by someone while a regular customer checked on their clothes by themselves or used the restroom possibly in the back of the store?

Very possible....Ott being at that dry cleaners, in that time frame...with reciept errors, clothes assigned to wrong people, etc...just plain strange!

And people think his wearing shorts is odd!

sounds pretty stupid when you write out what they want us to believe, doesn't it?

Ah-hah ! Rheo drove the get-away RV !

get a rope.

You'll really like this new info. Post #10. The trips to the drycleaners, and the release of these affidavits showing DW didn't lie, but Dusek and the police did.

Any of this close to Dehesa and what about the water tank?..this was on Tues 2/13.

The family members and three men drove together to an area east of Interstate 15 off Sabre Springs Parkway. They hiked down around a dirt trail around an abandoned fenced-in water pump station.

"I just want to find my daughter," van Dam said.

The men fanned out from the path and trudged through 7-foot-high dried reeds along Los Penasquitos Canyon Creek and dipped walking sticks into the creeks and ponds.

Van Dam got on his stomach to try to look under a small concrete bridge. He climbed up and peered down into a large water tank, and dislodged a manhole cover to check inside. Other searchers looked in pipes and in high brush areas.

Volunteers also looked for areas where the ground was disturbed ---- signs that someone might have gone off the path.

Regarding our earlier conversation about next door (this was written 2/13):

Meanwhile, back at the van Dam family home, investigators took a bloodhound into Danielle's room to pick up her scent. They put a shirt belonging to Danielle on a stick and led the dog to the house next door,but not across the street to where a neighbor, who has been questioned in the case, lives

And that wonderful statement just 11 days after her disappearance:

Explaining it to the boys is hard, especially the oldest (son)," Damon van Dam said. "We hope she comes back ... but regardless of that, we have still have two wonderful boys to bring up."

Any of this close to Dehesa and what about the water tank?..this was on Tues 2/13.
The family members and three men drove together to an area east of Interstate 15 off Sabre Springs Parkway. They hiked down around a dirt trail around an abandoned fenced-in water pump station.
"I just want to find my daughter," van Dam said.

The men fanned out from the path and trudged through 7-foot-high dried reeds along Los Penasquitos Canyon Creek and dipped walking sticks into the creeks and ponds.

No, Rheo, this is right near their house. Maybe about 2 miles west of their house.

bump

And if DW TOLD the police that he took the items to Twin Peaks Cleaners, WHY did Torgersen drive to four OTHER cleaners to try to find DW's stuff before he got to Twin Peaks?

Sorry - I REALLY should read to the end of the thread before responding. I see you guys have already covered this.

I used to post there under the pseudonym of "housemouse", but got totally fed up with the imbecilic level of debate there...

Too many brain-dead liberals eager to "ad hominem, slippery slope, false dilemma" just about any post an independant thinker makes, in my humble opinion! There are several posters from FR who are to be commended for their patience in posting to the board (TLBShow comes to mind.

Although I do not always share the latter's unswavering loyalty to the Republican party, I am in awe of his ability to take the spew dished out to him, and anyone else who doesn't parrot the Democrats' group-mantra of the day...

If you had just raped & killed somebody would take the bedding and your clothes to the cleaners, OR burn it?

I would probably throw them in my washing machine with some bleach, dry them, then drop them off at the Goodwill store. AND/Or burn them. I can't believe the dry cleaners these days will accept anything bloody - or that Westerfield was that stupid.

I just was reading Housemouse and wondering if the person was a freeper!! How funny. Great posting over there by you. I was reading one post and it said "the bloody finger prints all over the MH." No wonder you quit.

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