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1-How much of an effect do you think those who "buy around the system" ultimately have?

2-What else are you doing to defeat the government's efforts to extort smokers?

3-What are you going to do when government enforces interstate sales tax?

4-How do you feel about the overwhelming percentage of smokers who continue to pay the tax increases?

1 posted on 08/10/2002 2:29:58 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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2 posted on 08/10/2002 2:56:47 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; RikaStrom; ...
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3 posted on 08/10/2002 3:00:16 PM PDT by SheLion
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Questions for non-smokers -

1)Do you have this much glee when you contemplate the "sin taxes" soon to be imposed on fast food?
2)Are you going to be equally delighted when you can no longer use your barbecue grill or fireplace?
3)You already have given up your SUV, haven't you?
4)You won't mind giving up all pesticides, will you? What's a few roaches and rats? You can always put the legs of the baby's crib in pots of water, and hope that the rats are not the ones that can swim.
5)You probably already wonder why mammograms and colonoscopies are not mandatory. Where are those dratted health police when you need them anyway?

4 posted on 08/10/2002 3:00:56 PM PDT by speekinout
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1-How much of an effect do you think those who "buy around the system" ultimately have?

A big effect! And more smokers are finding out every day that buying from the net, the Reservations, or rolling their own is the way to go now.

2-What else are you doing to defeat the government's efforts to extort smokers?

By emailing everyone I can! By running my Forces Maine Website, and by rolling our own for over a year now. Not paying all those taxes into the state coffers tickles me pink.

3-What are you going to do when government enforces interstate sales tax?

Might take 10 years. They can’t just tax tobacco over the Net without taxing everything being sold EVERYWHERE on the net.

4-How do you feel about the overwhelming percentage of smokers who continue to pay the tax increases?

I think they are nuts. If they can truly afford it, great! But we found a much better way, and those tax dollars are just as good in OUR pocket as the state coffers!

5 posted on 08/10/2002 3:08:45 PM PDT by SheLion
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Here in Australia I pay US$ 45.00 for a carton of cigarettes when I go overseas is becomes US $7.50 Duty Free. Thats $37.50 difference,there is no way governments will ever get rid of that cash cow and create agencies to supress people that operate outside the system...its all about the money.In many western cities you'll get free condoms for sodomy or free needles for drugs yet you can't light up at work,or in a restaurant.The only way to fight back is decrease consumption to the point where you treat cigarettes like cigars.Deprive them of the money.If every pack a day smoker dropped to 5 a day,tax revenues would be only 20-25 percent of current-then watch them panic.IMO the only way to stop a government cash cow is kill it.Other wise $20.00 a packet is coming.
6 posted on 08/10/2002 3:11:13 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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esmokes.com
9 posted on 08/10/2002 3:33:42 PM PDT by Lloyd227
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1-How much of an effect do you think those who "buy around the system" ultimately have?

Until many more start trying to go around the system in SOME manner there will not be much effect,

2-What else are you doing to defeat the government's efforts to extort smokers?

Putting out a tobacco related newsletter to my local tobacco shops letting smokers know just how bad it is getting EVERYWHERE, not just in the USA.

3-What are you going to do when government enforces interstate sales tax?

The only thing I buy over the internet is the tubes for my stuff your owns. I could get tubes locally but not the ones I like. If they start taxing internet sales they will have to tax ALL internet sales, not just tobacco related items. Just wait for the screams then.

4-How do you feel about the overwhelming percentage of smokers who continue to pay the tax increases?

They are either stupid or they haven't been given information to let them NOT pay the tax.

10 posted on 08/10/2002 3:36:12 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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The solution is much simpler than a statewide smoker boycott that would be hard to organize anyway. Smokers need to petition the Tobacco industry to stop selliing cigarettes all together in states that impose an unfair tax on the product. Nobody can force Phillip Morris to sell Marlboros. I guarantee, they quit selling all together, the legislators would change their tune REAL fast.

This same solution would work for Coca Cola and McDonald's as well. If California imposes "fat taxes" on those industries, they should just shut down all the McDonalds statewide- putting thousands out of work until the state scrapped their plan.

Actually, just the threat of doing this should be enough.

On a side note, back when it looked like Gore might become President, I had thought of a similar tack for corporations to use if the Kyoto Protocol was enacted and they were working with "Carbon Allotments and Credits". The company would go full steam ahead, and in May or July when they used up their allotment of carbon- they'd simply lay the work force off, shut the doors and wait till the new year began so they could get a brand new allotment (instead of "buying carbon" from other nations).

Corporations run this country anyway- they need to start acting like it- they have the power to run those charlatans out of office. If the commies in gov't enact harsh taxes, the corporations should just say "hell no- we'll just shut down if our product bothers you so much".

11 posted on 08/10/2002 3:36:43 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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The Feds can only 'enforce' the interstate sales tax with Indian reservations by modifying treaties or exerting enormous pressure on the Indian tribes.

That could happen.

Then people will begin buying from overseas (there are Websites currently running which will ship from one of the Slovak countries.)

It will be a lot harder for the Feds to enforce tax regs on THOSE transactions.

Of course, there's always the Mafia--and they will be a much larger player than they are currently.

States will have a very hard time squeezing smokers much harder than they already do...

14 posted on 08/10/2002 4:04:31 PM PDT by ninenot
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$13.50 at WalMart.
make cigs taste like crap ...    

24 posted on 08/10/2002 4:36:55 PM PDT by tomkat
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1: I am one of those that Buys around the system, I smoke Generic cigarettes, they are 35.00 a carton in a "legal" store, I go to the Indian reservation and Buy 1, I said ONE carton at a time for 17.50 a carton.

The state says that if I have no more then 1 carton, 200 cigarettes, without the state stamp, they can't do a thing. SO when I am down to my last smoke, I go to the reservation, 5 miles away, and buy another carton. 100% legal!!

The state is losing close to 17 a carton, woohoo, less for good old Locke to spend, I live in Washington now.

2: I tell ALL my smoker friends to do the same.

3: I will tell them to screw off, because it will not work, the bureaucracy will cost more then the taxes will bring in.

4: I think that they are idiots, 1 carton at a time people, one carton at a time!! 100% legal!!
32 posted on 08/10/2002 4:57:40 PM PDT by Aric2000
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I just smile and think of all the money I have beat the Gov'ment out of since April 1 1984.
34 posted on 08/10/2002 5:10:29 PM PDT by WKB
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Guess I'll buy my smokes from smugglers :)
38 posted on 08/10/2002 6:14:28 PM PDT by Khepera
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."We know there's been a steep increase," said Kurt Ribisl, the UNC professor who headed the study. Ribisl sees a direct correlation in the jump of online purchasing to the passage of new cigarette taxes.

That doesn't take a brain surgeon.

40 posted on 08/10/2002 6:22:25 PM PDT by Great Dane
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1- In time....... a hell of a lot of tax losses.

2- So far stuffing my own.

3- Think seriously about growing my own.

4- People paying full price when there are alternatives, are suckers.

41 posted on 08/10/2002 6:27:09 PM PDT by Great Dane
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So, can one get Djarums from the Indians?
42 posted on 08/10/2002 6:43:27 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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1) How will you explain to your family that they must bear the torture of seeing you die a painful death that could have been avoided?

2) Why should the government pay medical expenses (which comes from taxpayers) to treat a disease you could have avoided?

3) When will smokers think about someone other than themselves?

4) Why do smokers think they have the right to pollute the air that non-smokers breathe?

These are the questions smokers should be asking themselves. But they are too wrapped up in their own desires. Smoking is foolish and selfish.
43 posted on 08/10/2002 6:50:14 PM PDT by mrfixit514
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Why can't smokers form a Tobacco Union, Don't their votes count or is it smokers can't vote? I'm sure if they united with lets say 15% or 20% of the vote they would no longer be pushed around. Then and only then would the politicos listen to them...
49 posted on 08/10/2002 7:59:15 PM PDT by jdontom
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As a non-smoker, I was pleased when no smoking ordinances were first enacted for airplanes, buses and some other public places where there is no way to truly separate smokers and non-smokers. However, the new rules have gone way too far and have turned smokers into pariahs unfit for society.

Moreover, the new rules are a violation of private property rights for individuals and business owners. It's not right that a non-smoker can dictate to a restautant or bar owner how to run his or her business.

If a non-smoker doesn't want to go into a smoke filled bar, then don't. No one is forcing them to. Yet, somehow many non-smokers believe they should be able to force the bar's patrons to not smoke. This is insane! Whose business is it? Who pays the taxes, the utilities, the maintenance, and obtains the license to do business? Certainly not the anti-smoking nazis. They are nothing but a bunch of control freaks drunk on power, their adgenda, and their own self-importance.

50 posted on 08/10/2002 8:13:10 PM PDT by GBA
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1-How much of an effect do you think those who "buy around the system" ultimately have?

Not enough.

2-What else are you doing to defeat the government's efforts to extort smokers?

Everything I can. Including gathering signatures on petitions, writing lawmakers and educating the public and the media to the great scam this War on Smokers has become; trying to get smokers registered to vote and make them aware of those who trample their freedoms who need to be run out of town naked.

3-What are you going to do when government enforces interstate sales tax?

Grow and make my own, and encourage everyone I know to do the same.

4-How do you feel about the overwhelming percentage of smokers who continue to pay the tax increases?

Most of them are simply uneducated about the issue, and feel powerless to do anything else. The anti-smoker jihad has a thirty-year head start on us and a hell of a lot more money, but I'll never give up. They'll have to take my cigarettes from my cold, dead hands just like my weapons.

52 posted on 08/10/2002 9:41:33 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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