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Creation/Evolution in the News
Various ^ | 8/9/2002 | JennyP

Posted on 08/09/2002 10:52:13 PM PDT by jennyp

There have been a lot of little news items having to do with creation vs. evolution lately, each one not necessarily worth a thread on its own. Here are the last 10 days' worth of headlines culled from Creation/Evolution: The Eternal Debate:

Posted on 2002/08/09
New Fossil Discovery Sinks Evolutionary Theories

Harun Yahya - 2002/08/01
When the Toumaï fossil was found recently, and was quickly dismissed by some as just a female gorilla, most creationists rejoiced at the foolishness of those deluded evolutionists. But prominent Muslim creationist Harun Yahya is more impressed. He hopes Toumaï will "sink our current ideas about human evolution".

Posted on 2002/08/09
Scientific American's 15 Errors

Harun Yahya - 2002/08/01
Not to be outdone by the Christian ministry Answers in Genesis, the Muslim creationist Harun Yahya provides his own critique of Scientific American's recent "15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense".

Posted on 2002/08/09
Revolution in science: a genetic discovery to change the world

The Independent - 2002/08/10
RNA interference (RNAi) is a new technique for turning off individual genes that could turn out to be revolutionary for curing genetic diseases, cancers, & viral infections of all kinds, not to mention for our understanding of which genes do what. (Set of 4 articles)

Posted on 2002/08/09
Researchers' Latest Results in Search for Ancient Martian Life

NASA-JPL - 2002/08/02
In the latest study of a 4.5 billion-year-old Martian meteorite (ALH84001), researchers have presented new evidence confirming that 25 percent of the magnetic material in the meteorite was produced by ancient bacteria on Mars. These latest results were published in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology.

Posted on 2002/08/09
History of Science Society Adds its Voice for Evolution

NCSE - 2002/08/09
NCSE is pleased to announce a further addition to New Voices for Evolution: a statement from the History of Science Society reading, in part, that "such concepts as evolution and geological change are well established and belong in science curricula along with other basic scientific ideas. ... In view of this historical perspective, the History of Science Society disapproves of recent efforts by state school boards effectively to remove evolution as a subject from the secondary school curriculum, either through textbook disclaimers or censorship."

Posted on 2002/08/09
Speed of light slowing down after all?

AiG - 2002/08/09
...in addition to being different from the prediction of Barry Setterfield's theory, this research by itself does not support c-decay theory of the magnitude that Setterfield proposed. The change is billions of times too small. In fact, the newspaper hype surrounding Davies’ theory, and the quotes attributed to him, hardly seem to be justified by the Nature article itself, which is rather speculative. ...

Posted on 2002/08/09
KC conference explores evolution debate

Kansas City Star - 2002/07/29
Until intelligent design is accepted by a majority of scientists, don't look for it in public school science classes, a panel of evolution supporters said on Saturday (7/27). The idea that life arose not through unguided natural processes but from the intent of an intelligent being is an interesting postulate at this point, but nothing else, the panel said at a debate closing a Kansas City gathering of ID advocates. Four evolution advocates debated four ID adherents at the third annual Darwin, Design and Democracy conference at Rockhurst HS.

Posted on 2002/08/08
Moderates Lose 2 to Conservatives in Kansas Board of Ed Primaries

KC Star - 2002/08/07
Voters on Tuesday ousted two incumbent moderates on the Kansas Board of Education, raising the possibility that the board could return to a 5-5 moderate-conservative split. The split on the board has been an issue since Aug. 1999, when a then-conservative majority approved science standards that omitted many references to evolution, the big-bang theory and the age of the Earth. After a moderate majority was elected two years ago, the board reversed the 1999 vote.

Posted on 2002/08/07
Selection for short introns in highly expressed genes

Nature Genetics - 2002/07/22
Transcription is a slow and expensive process. Thus, at least for highly expressed genes, transcription of long introns, which are particularly common in mammals, is costly. We show that introns in highly expressed genes are substantially shorter than those in genes that are expressed at low levels.

Posted on 2002/08/07
T.O. Creates New Kent Hovind FAQs Portal

Talk.Origins - 2002/08/08
Talk.Origins has come out with a page that gathers together their several Kent Hovind pages, as well as several off-site links, into a handy starting point.

Posted on 2002/08/07
Save Me from My Comrades: Dawkins Disses Bush

Here - 2002/08/07
Inside a longer article re: Iraq appealing to England to stop the invasion: "A Guardian survey yesterday of leading politicians, diplomats, military chiefs and scientists showed the depth of scepticism across British society about any involvement in an Iraq attack. ... Richard Dawkins, an Oxford science don, suggested Mr Bush was just as much of a danger to world peace as Saddam Hussein, adding: 'It would be a tragedy if Tony Blair were to be brought down through playing poodle to this unelected and deeply stupid little oil-spiv.'"

Posted on 2002/08/07
Inconstant Speed of Light May Debunk Einstein

Reuters - 2002/08/07
A team of Australian scientists has proposed that the speed of light may not be a constant, a revolutionary idea that could unseat one of the most cherished laws of modern physics -- Einstein's theory of relativity. The team, led by theoretical physicist Paul Davies of Sydney's Macquarie University, say it is possible that the speed of light has slowed over billions of years. If so, physicists will have to rethink many of their basic ideas about the laws of the universe. "That means giving up the theory of relativity and E=mc squared and all that sort of stuff," Davies told Reuters.

Posted on 2002/08/06
Evangelical colleges paid to teach evolution

AiG - 2002/08/06
Increasing numbers of evangelical colleges around the world are accepting large monetary awards from the John Templeton Foundation to run courses that promote evolutionary teaching and millions of years. One such course, run by an evangelical Bible college and taught by theistic evolutionists, never touched on the implications of evolution and millions of years for the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the implications for the authority of Scripture.

Posted on 2002/08/05
AiG Strikes a Nerve

AiG - 2002/08/03
Ken Ham revels in the fact that Scientific American's lawyers accused AiG of copyright infringement when it responded to SA's recent article "15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense". Obviously it's proof that "the secular world is closely watching AiG and is trying to suppress our Biblical message", which "is seen as a serious threat by the ‘world.’"

Posted on 2002/08/02
Sheer vs. Real Possibilities: A Response to Allen Orr

designinference.com - 2002/08/02
This is Dembski's response to Allen Orr's review of No Free Lunch, which we reported on a week ago. Dembski repeats his demand that biologists produce actual causal explanations for IC structures instead of merely showing why they're plausible. At the same time, Dembski ignores Orr's critique of Dembski's use of No Free Lunch theorems to prove that Darwinism can't create specified complexity.

Posted on 2002/08/02
Human-Specific Retroviruses Developed When Humans, Chimps Diverged

U. of Georgia - 2002/08/02
Scientists have known that remnants of ancient germ line infections called human endogenous retroviruses make up a substantial part of the human genome. Once thought to be merely "junk" DNA, many of these elements in fact perform functions in human cells. Now, a new study suggests for the first time that a burst of transpositional activity occurred at the same time humans and chimps are believed to have diverged from a common ancestor - 6 million years ago. These new results suggest retroviruses may have had some kind of role in that divergence.

Posted on 2002/08/02
The Battle for the Cosmic Center

ICR Impact - 2002/07/25
Biblical teaching places man at the center of God's attention. Recent astronomical evidence restores man to a central place in God's universe. Over the last few decades, astronomers have become convinced that the red shifts of light from distant galaxies occur in distinct, evenly spaced groups. The Hubble Law implies that galaxies are expanding in evenly spaced spherical shells around us, who are sitting at the center of the universe - just where the Bible says we are.

Posted on 2002/08/02
Commentary on Scott and Branch's "'Intelligent design' Not Accepted by Most Scientists"

designinference.com - 2002/07/02
This is a must-read, if only to see Dembski say "All the design could have emerged through a cosmic evolutionary process that started with the Big Bang." Later, he compares evolutionists to the Taliban!

Posted on 2002/08/02
Boiled Creationist with a Side of Hexaglycine: Sarfati on Imai et al. (1999)

No Answers in Genesis - 2002/07/31
In an AiG web article titled Hydrothermal origin of life? Jonathan Sarfati manages to write three pages about a single five page original peer reviewed paper on growing short peptides in a simulated hydrothermal vent system, published in Science by Imai et al. (1999), and to make over seventeen errors of fact, emphasis or interpretation. Not bad, even for a fanatical creationist.

Posted on 2002/08/01
Updates to Talk.Origins Fossil Hominids Pages

Talk.Origins - 2002/07/31
Jim Foley's comprehensive set of pages on hominid & australopithicene fossils at Talk.Origins has been updated. Includes new pages on the spectacular new skull from Dmanisi, Georgia, which causes problems for creationists who claim that habilis is an ape and erectus is a human, the new 6-7 million year old Toumaï skull from Chad, and Homo habilis: is it an invalid taxon?

Posted on 2002/07/31
Pufferfish DNA Yields Clues to Human Biology [Another 1,000 Human Genes?]

DOE Joint Genome Institute - 2002/07/25
An int'l research consortium led by the US DoE’s Joint Genome Institute reported today on the draft sequencing, assembly, and analysis of the genome of the Japanese pufferfish Fugu rubripes. Pufferfish have the smallest known genomes among vertebrates. While it has roughly the same number of genes as the much larger human genome, it's in a compact form streamlined by the relative scarcity of the “junk” DNA that fills much of the human sequence. Through comparison of the human and pufferfish genomes, the researchers were able to predict the existence of nearly 1,000 previously unidentified human genes.

Posted on 2002/07/30
Race Is Seen as Real Guide to Track Roots of Disease

NY Times - 2002/07/30
Challenging the widely held view that race is a "biologically meaningless" concept, a leading population geneticist says that race is helpful for understanding ethnic differences in disease and response to drugs. Dr. Neil Risch of Stanford U says that genetic differences have arisen among people living on different continents and that race (i.e. geographically based ancestry) is a valid way of categorizing these differences.

Posted on 2002/07/30
Species and languages flock together

Nature Science Update - 2002/07/30
Areas with the most animal species also contain the greatest number of human languages, say researchers. The coincidence of biological and cultural diversity hints that preserving cultures may also preserve species, and vice versa. Development and conservation "probably need to go hand in hand", says Carsten Rahbek of the U. of Copenhagen. His findings call into question the wisdom of trying to save wildlife in remote uninhabited areas.

Posted on 2002/07/30
U.S. News and World Report joins in the evolution onslaught

AiG - 2002/07/30
U.S. News and World Report ran a major story pushing evolution on 29 July, 2002, giving it cover story exposure. The usual evolutionist hand-waving and bait-and-switch tactics were employed in a grand piece of propaganda. Here is our detailed response, interspersed between their actual item which is reproduced in full to avoid suggestions of misrepresentation:

Posted on 2002/07/29
Boeing tries to defy gravity

BBC News: Science/Nature - 2002/07/29
Researchers at the world's largest aircraft maker, Boeing, are using the work of a controversial Russian scientist to try to create a device that will defy gravity. The company is examining an experiment by Yevgeny Podkletnov, who claims to have developed a device which can shield objects from the Earth's pull. Dr Podkletnov is viewed with suspicion by many conventional scientists. They have not been able to reproduce his results.

Posted on 2002/07/29
Bacteria defies last-resort antibiotic

Nature Science Update - 2002/07/29
US doctors have reported the first case of a new strain of Staphylococcus aureus that is completely resistant to the antibiotic vancomycin, one of the last lines of defence against bacteria. Further outbreaks of infection are expected.

Posted on 2002/07/29
Jonathan Wells and Darwin's Finches

Talk.Origins - 2002/07/27
In Chapter 8 of Icons of Evolution, Jonathan Wells examines the case of "Darwin's Finches", and claims that textbooks exaggerate not only the importance of the finches to Darwin's thinking, but also the evidence that they are an excellent example of evolution in action. He also accuses biologists Rosemary and Peter Grant, who spent 30 years studying these birds, of exaggerating the evidence as well. As we shall see, Wells's case is weak. Darwin's Finches remain one of the best examples of adaptive radiation in the literature of evolutionary biology.

Posted on 2002/07/26
Book Review: No Free Lunch

Boston Review - 2002/07/25
Excellent, engaging article by Orr, as he cooly dismantles Dembski's latest book. Assuming his understanding of "NFL" was correct, his critique is devastating. And to think I found this at the ARN site! If they're highlighting this review, then it can only mean there's a fierce counterattack in the works. Read this article now to understand what all the fireworks will be about shortly.

Posted on 2002/07/25
Paranormal beliefs linked to brain chemistry

New Scientist - 2002/07/24
Whether or not you believe in the paranormal may depend entirely on your brain chemistry. People with high levels of dopamine are more likely to find significance in coincidences, and pick out meaning and patterns where there are none.

Posted on 2002/07/24
UCSD Researchers Identify Eye-Formation Strategy in Mice That Provides Clues to Development of Other Organs

UCSD Health Sciences - 2002/07/23
Researchers at the UC San Diego School of Medicine have discovered a linkage between proteins that is an essential part of the complex series of molecular events leading to normal eye development in mice. The investigators also suggest that the combination of specific proteins in eye formation may be similar to yet unidentified genes that act together to allow development of other organs.

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To: f.Christian
Main Entry: evan·gel·i·cal
Pronunciation: "E-"van-'je-li-k&l, "e-v&n-
Variant(s): also evan·gel·ic /-ik/
Function: adjective
Date: 1531
1 : of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels
2 : PROTESTANT

3 : emphasizing salvation by faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ through personal conversion, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching as contrasted with ritual

4 a capitalized : of or relating to the Evangelical Church in Germany b often capitalized : of, adhering to, or marked by fundamentalism : FUNDAMENTALIST c often capitalized : LOW CHURCH
5 : marked by militant or crusading zeal : EVANGELISTIC
- Evan·gel·i·cal·ism /-li-k&-"li-z&m/ noun
- evan·gel·i·cal·ly /-li-k(&-)lE/ adverb
741 posted on 08/17/2002 4:37:13 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
I’m entering this thing late, so I apologize for repeating info. from any of the 700+ posts. My big question is Who is on the defensive here? We are arguing creationism vs. evolution, yet creationists like to put the burden of proof upon the evolutionists.

That is, they like to say “evidence points against evolution!” There is an obvious problem with this. Primarily, that creationists are using the scientific method to scrutinize evolution, yet not applying the same type of scrutiny to their own doctrine.

Let’s take a look at this.
- Evolutionary Biology is a science. It is constantly put up against scientific scrutiny, i.e. attempts at falsification.
- Creationism is faith-based. That is, creationists take their belief in the supernatural creation of humans (and all other organisms) as fact solely on the basis of faith – FAITH IS NOT TESTIBLE IN THE SENSE OF SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY! You cannot falsify faith-based ideas.

- Here’s the problem: Creationists are quick to put evolutionists/atheists on the defensive by using the scientific method, but they are not ready to apply the scientific method to their own beliefs.

- Here’s the point. The existence of a divine creator is NOT the null hypothesis. That is, we don’t have to accept the presence of a divine creator in the absence of a proof against his/her/its existence. The ABSENCE of a god is the null hypothesis. That is, we have to disprove that there isn’t a god for the alternative hypothesis “there is a god” to be considered.

- As long as creationists / faith-based individuals try to use scientific theory against science without first applying it to their own convictions, there is no point in continuing with the debate.

Of course, I suppose no faithful person would ever question their faith using the scientific method. That’s a sin, right? Until you are ready to question your own beliefs should you attack science – which is constantly questioning itself.

Oh, one more thing. Quoting a bunch of religious web sites that misinterpret data, take quotes from the scientific literature out of context, and demonstrate their ignorance of the theory of evolution by making statements like “the ladder from monkeys to humans doesn’t exist” should really freshen up on post-Darwinian evolutionary thought. Not to say Darwin’s theory isn’t still a vital part of evolutionary thought, but (unlike religion) science is self-corrective. That is it continues to build upon itself as new evidence accumulates, new discoveries are made, and new, brilliant minds enter the field. A lot has happened in evolutionary theroy since Darwin. Genetics, Evo-Devo, and the discovery of HOX genes to mention a few.

742 posted on 08/17/2002 5:01:22 PM PDT by Washakius
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To: Washakius
Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/America---

743 posted on 08/17/2002 5:03:22 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
I'm sorry, are you just another collectivist? The way I see it, the only difference between religious fanatics and democrats is which collective they want to put in charge: religion or government.

As for me, I'd rather make my own decisions based on my own empirical knowledge of the world.

Oh, and by the way, what does your reply have to do with anything that I just said regarding the failure of creationists to put themselves up against the same scrutiny that science puts itself up to? Or is it just another attempt at avoiding the facts?
744 posted on 08/17/2002 5:15:08 PM PDT by Washakius
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To: Washakius
Oh, one more thing. Quoting a bunch of religious web sites that misinterpret data, take quotes from the scientific literature out of context, and demonstrate their ignorance of the theory of evolution by making statements like “the ladder from monkeys to humans doesn’t exist” should really freshen up on post-Darwinian evolutionary thought. Not to say Darwin’s theory isn’t still a vital part of evolutionary thought, but (unlike religion) science is self-corrective. That is it continues to build upon itself as new evidence accumulates, new discoveries are made, and new, brilliant minds enter the field. A lot has happened in evolutionary theroy since Darwin. Genetics, Evo-Devo, and the discovery of HOX genes to mention a few.

Well said. Welcome to the clubhouse.

745 posted on 08/18/2002 9:36:10 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: PatrickHenry
Placemarker.
746 posted on 08/18/2002 10:28:11 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: HumanaeVitae
Geez, cute how you so twist my words.

Morally, to us, in this country, killing your child is wrong. I was stating an example of why it would be moral in another society, so of course you decide that I must think it is moral to do so as well.

Sad, very sad.

Oh well, cannot expect all the people on this board to actually think.
747 posted on 08/19/2002 7:42:38 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Washakius
placemarker
748 posted on 08/19/2002 8:16:56 AM PDT by Junior
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To: HumanaeVitae
Not really a radical proposal. It would just be going back to pre-1973. Unlike laissez faire, which really only lasted in the "industrial" sense from right after the Civil War to the New Deal, the prohibition against destroying unborn life existed from 374 AD until the mid-20th Century in the Western world.

Under roman law, the male head of a household could commit infanticide on his issue up until their 21st year.

749 posted on 08/20/2002 4:32:56 PM PDT by donh
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To: Washakius
Try to be as kind to f.christian as you can stand. He's our pet paradigmatic example of a creationist, and we'd hate to lose him--he's such an embarassment to them.
750 posted on 08/20/2002 4:38:45 PM PDT by donh
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To: donh
Right. Until the doctrine of patraie potestas was was outlawed by Valentinian I at the urging of the Bishop of Caesaria.
751 posted on 08/20/2002 4:43:17 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: jennyp
"Back in the real world, the USA & the other free nations are clearly on the libertarian side of the equation"

Harry Browne's electoral % in the 2000 election: 2%

Percentage of self-identified Christians in America: 80+%

Back in the real world, the USA and the other free nations are clearly on the Christian side of the equation.

752 posted on 08/20/2002 4:48:14 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: jennyp
"AFAIK, the presence of brainwaves becomes detectable sometime late in the 1st trimester - 8 to 12 weeks. I think that's the least problematic, brightest line available."

Ah, the brightest line available. Ok. But why not a heartbeat? I mean, the brain can't survive on it's own, can it?

Also, I didn't know that you were a supporter of Cartesian dualism.

753 posted on 08/20/2002 4:51:16 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: general_re
"So who's right, you or me? Which values of the past should we conserve and preserve? And the only possible answer is, that's strictly a matter of personal preference, based on whatever period we happen to hold in particularly high esteem."

Actually, IMHO the only value is life. It's the only thing we don't create ourselves.

In this country, we wrote the Constitution to protect against the rise of an autocrat. Autocrats do awful things like kill and torture people, etc. The separation of powers, the system of Federalism, and the Bill of Rights are designed to distribute power widely so that no man may broadly threaten the sanctity of life. I don't favor the Second Amendment because God gave us the right to own guns; I favor it because it is a check against tyranny and thus a check against large-scale oppression and murder. Same with the right to assemble, criticize the government et al.

IMHO, ethics should revolve around the protection and propagation of human life.

P.S. Neo-monarchism has it's problems; corrupt monarchs and such. But I understand the sentiment.

754 posted on 08/20/2002 4:59:21 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
Huh??? The choice is between Harry Browne and Christianity? Hardly.
755 posted on 08/20/2002 5:00:51 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: HumanaeVitae
Ah, the brightest line available. Ok. But why not a heartbeat? I mean, the brain can't survive on it's own, can it?

Because then anyone whose heart had stopped could be declared dead, even though chances are good (depending on the circumstances) that they would be revived.

Also, I didn't know that you were a supporter of Cartesian dualism.

How am I espousing Cartesian dualism?

756 posted on 08/20/2002 5:03:24 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: jennyp
No, but I think that your description of the U.S. as a libertarian society is made much more tenuous by the libertarian failures at the polls.

I could just as easily point to every state but Nevada outlawing prostitution to describe the U.S. as a "Christian" society. I mean, libertarians are for legalized prostitution, aren't they?

757 posted on 08/20/2002 5:03:29 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
Funny, I totally agree with your reasoning behind supporting the Constitution!
758 posted on 08/20/2002 5:05:24 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: jennyp
Cartesian dualism states that mind and body are separate. By highliting brain activity you are treating 'brain processes' as more valuable than, say, gastrointestinal processes, you are relegating other necessary bodily functions to secondary status. Last time I checked the human body needs all of its moving parts.
759 posted on 08/20/2002 5:07:00 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: jennyp
Actually I'll be back in 30 minutes...the wife is yelling at me to wash the car.
760 posted on 08/20/2002 5:10:07 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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